The Difference Between Raw Video and Uncompressed Video

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Uncompressed recording device?

 

Thanks for the info, very informative.

 

Question : What device records uncompressed video outside of the camera?

 

Just reading the specs on the Nikon D600, it's fine and dandy to say "Uncompressed video via HDMI output" BUT, where does the HDMI go? What is it connected to?

 

motion raw is not "always uncompressed" data...

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Camera raw motion footage can be, and is compressed in some cases...RED's raw data is compressed using a derivative of JPEG2K, and CineForm raw uses a proprietary codec...

 

RED r3d files can be dropped on the timeline and edited in Adobe Premiere Pro or Sony Vegas...or handled at reduced resolution in Avid through AMA without "interpretation", sometimes also called "flattening' to a standard raster format of some type.

 

The term "compression" is used to describe so many things...chroma subsampling, transforms...actual data compression.  Interlacing is a form of compression in the basic sense.

 

It seems like this is written more from the perspective of a still photographer instead of a videographer.

@rainbowsofwhite

You asked where can the uncompressed HDMI go from a camera like the D600/800 and soon the MK3... you can use a very affordable recorder like the Black Magic Shuttle 2, that can record uncompressed, or optionally DNxHD or ProRes on SSD drives. You can also connect it to a computer with an HDMI input using a card like the Black Magic Intensity. I have both the Shuttle 2 and the Intensity and they work really good. 

 

You can also consider buying the Black Magic camera, which has a built in 12-bit RAW recorder to SSD drives, so you get insane RAW recording, or you can also choose DNxHD or ProRes on the camera to record in.

 

The biggest problem is RAW is huge amounts of data. I am not sure the exact amount, but I think a 128GB SSD drive can record about 20 to 30 minutes of RAW. 

 

Lot of people think that's insane. But think of this.. from what I've been reading and discussing, most movies record dozens of hours worth of "takes" but over days and days, if not months of recording. Sure, big budget films/videos can afford to have a dozen 512GB SSD drives on the set. However, for myself, I want to shoot some short few second to 30 second clips at a time, perhpas for b-roll or stock footage. A couple of 256GB SSD drives would afford me a good hour or so of RAW recording. Unless you're recording a kids soccer game or play production, using RAW with short clips is very reasonable for me, given what you get doing so. Anything longer and I'd look at DNxHD or ProRes.

Which camer's

Does the Canon 6D allow uncompressed video like the Nikon D800?

 

What would that be called in the technical specs?

6D

From what I've read.. initially it does not, but they are adding uncompressed output via HDMI to the MK3.. so I would suspect they'll have it for the 6D at some point.

 

Basically it would be called Uncompressed HDMI out or something like that. 

Cool, thanks.

Cool, thanks.

Is "they" Canon? Is this a firmware update?

Without this update is the HDMI output identical to what ends up on the SD card?

Blackmagic Cinema Camera Compressed RAW

In the newer firmware versions Blackmagic Cinema Cameras use a lossless compression on their RAW files to reduce size. You get the benefits of the RAW files without the size and bandwidth issues. With my BMCC, each video exists in folders containing sound files and sequences of RAW images. Each image was around 5MB. Multiply that by 24 images a second and it sucks up your hard drives like crazy. I've got 7TB of footage for my movie "Girl, Yeti, and a Spaceship" from only the first part of filming. Blackmagic updated their firmware and came out with a compressed RAW format that reduces file size by 50%. these files are the same quality in a smaller size. Even with compressed RAW I accumulated another 4TB of movie footage and keep having to buy hard drives. Using a 256GB SSD you can record about 50 minutes. This works good for me because I seldom record more than 50 minutes a day. For a long day I use two SSDs. It is very important with RAW recording to shoot only what's needed. Stop the camera quickly after each take. It's kind of like film in that regard.

This is a few years on now,

This is a few years on now, but I am amazed that for over a year we have had NVMe in computers and laptops now, which can fill a x4 PCIe with 3200MB of data per second, and yet we are still stuck to the unbelievably expensive (and why are they not dropping in price) CFAST 2 cards for the better cameras. I am baffled why I can buy a 256GB NVMe stick for $120 that is 6x faster and reading and writing than CFAST 2 cards (so should conceivably easily handle 8K raw.. barring the size issue) and camera tech which so far has been advanced pretty dang fast as well, is not updating storage capabilities giving users options to afford better storage means at more affordable costs. It does bug me that a RED mag is about 200x overpriced SSD drives. At least there are some hacks for the BM CFAST2 port to use regular SSDs despite looking wonky to do so. I am hoping we see cameras move to NVMe tech and allow us to buy regular NVMe drives at consumer prices to use for recording to.