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Hey birdcat, WTF??? You didn’t say a thing to help with Bruce’s dilemma. You sound like a politician. Lot’s of verbiage with no substance. If you have nothing meaningful to say, don’t say anything.
Sorry I can’t help you Bruce. I have the same problem, but I like your demo. You might try the politician’s way of doing things. When asked how much the project will cost, reply by asking how much he intended to spend. It works for me more often than you might think.