Videomaker is not iPAD Friendly

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    • #54081

      I have been receiving Videomaker for a number of years and generally enjoy reading it even though reviews are short and superficial and there's too much advertising – I know Videomaker, you depend on advertising.   In any case, besides using a regular desktop computer I use an iPad.  The iPad has been out since 2010 and we're now in 2013.  Too much of Videomaker videos are not iPAD friendly.  I also design websites for a living and provide designs to clients with video that can be viewed on conventional desktops/laptops/etc, and iPads, iPhones, etc.  Much of the online industry has acknolwedeged the fact that the iPAD has had a significant influence not just on the PC market, but especially on the web experience as well and video in particular, and as a result have retooled their web-based video content to be compatible on both fronts.  Videomaker should set an example by providing video that is viewable for any platform.   When are you guys going to get in step with the rest of the Internet world? 

    • #206033

      " Much of the online industry has acknolwedeged the fact that the iPAD has had a significant influence not just on the PC market, but especially on the web experience as well and video in particular, and as a result have retooled their web-based video content to be compatible on both fronts."


      Well, it is and it isn't. I too have spent years working with web design and still do quite a bit with it. Things were building quickly towards HTML5, CSS3 and some other big changes in the internet. But lately the internet seems to be finding a way to survive as is, or rather flash in that regard.


      Apple is finding out that they can be beat by cost and although they have a very large following, those followers are adapting because of the mass of people still using PC's and the growth of the android (Google) machine.


      I won a Kindle fire HD 7" at a Christmas party last Dec. I also bought my wife a IPad 4. Within a week I had hacked my Kindle fire and it now see's flash and videomaker just as any PC would by side loading Dolphin browser and Adobe flash. I've also loaded many film making apps and a great slate app called "Clapper Board". Its become a very powerful tool not hindered by Amazons limitations anymore. The same can be said for my wife's IPad, by loading up the Puffin browser Videomaker or any other site is good to go, even posting on it is easier than Explorer 9 was.


      The only real difference between the Kindle fire I have and the IPad 4 is I spent over 800.00 for my wife's IPad and a kindle fire can be had for 199.00. As far as function goes My wife has 64 gb of memory and my Kindle only has 12 gb. With my video books doc's and apps I use to keep my video business organized and a few DVD's I've converted to h.264 I still run 7-9 gb in free space on average. I keep running excel spread sheets and shoot records on everything and carry about 20 videos to show my body of work as well.


      But my point, as I digress, is that the "Hacking" is becoming common place and it is leveling the playing field. It has also slowed the progression of adapting to new platforms. I'm sure progression will still take place and HTML5 and such will move forward. H.265 is now in the pipline too but at present its the platforms that are adapting more so than the internet. Its easier and cheaper and also what humans do best…adapt.


      With a simple search anyne can find a video to walk them through adapting any tablet or phone to function well on the internet as is. So, should a "Video" website change? That's a tough question that only gets answered with another of "Who would be a video enthusiast and use a browser that doesn't support flash when there is one that they can use that does?" Even with the use of tablets or phones, that puts users that would not into a small group and with years of media that would have to be converted, its just not something feesable for anyone at this time. So IMHO its more necessary for platforms to adapt as they are at this time.

    • #206035

      I agree, I would like the videos to play on my iPad… Without hacking it. Thanks.

    • #206036

      Downloading the Puffin browser for the IPad isn't really a "Hack" as side loading is with the Kindle is. Its just downloading a browser really.

    • #206043

      There will always be alternatives when it comes to the web and similarly with video.  However, most users of an iPAD, or a PC or Mac for that matter, would probably prefer not to install an alternate application, in this case Puffin, to view flash content on their iPads even though that's just one solution.  Also, from a security standpoint, installing 3rd party software, any software or apps, opens another path for potential security breaches.  So from a security perspective, the less additional software that is loaded onto a computer, any computer, the better.   However, without going into an endless discussion of the issue – and these kinds of issues can be open-ended – the point is that a great majority of websites have already acknowledged the issue and have accommodated to providing a fallback for those users of iPhones and in particular iPads when it comes to viewing video content.  The suggestion to install an alternate browser or other 3rd party application in order to view content puts the onus on the end-user instead of the content provider who after all should be accommodating their audience and not the other way around.  Top websites, for example the New York Times and many other content publishers, have long acknowledged and accepted the basic premis that it is they, and not the end user, that has the obligation to accommodate their audience.  However, although the emergence of HTML 5 has changed the web landscape, and video for the web, it is still a work in progress.  Until there is a single way to present video content in all browsers and on all the major platforms it is the content publisher that bears the responsibility to make that content available for its users.  As a technologist that works with providing the compatibility to my own clients I can tell you that the solution is very simple and does not require the end-user to load alternate browsers or other software. While it may present some economical issues for the site sponsor, sites that do not provide iPAD compatible content are simply lazy and are not being very customer-focused, not to mention the enormous market of potentialy new subscribers they are excluding.  It would be interesting to take a survey of current Videomaker subscribers and see how many use an iPad and would like to view iPad compatible video content without having to install alternate or other applications, but I doubt Videomaker would take such a survey.

    • #206046

      You would be surprised at the numbers of people that prefer to install alternatives for web browsing. Google chrome surpassed explorer last summer and took the lead in browsers and Mozilla is holding its own very well. HTML5 won't even be an official web standard till 2014 even though a lot of us have been using it for some time.


      Its just to early in the game for the web to just convert. Especially with video and the cost associated with it and band width at this time. There is no telling when we will see H.265 come into play but that is going to be quite the game changer in lowering bit rates. I don't see it as "Lazy" but more as confusion that's going on. Aside from costs and standards we are also in the middle of the "Tablet war" and Apple is loosing ground. A recent Forrester study that just came out shows the majority that work in information would rather have a windows 8 tablet than an IPad. Add andriod gaining ground and the significance of an IPad user group that doesn't convert to a capable browser becomes a minority statistically. Browser statistics for Jan. 2013 shows Google chrome at 48.4% and Safari at 4.2%. What the mobile browser stats will be this coming fall could be completely upside down from what it is now. In the last years time Android went from about have the usage of Apples mobile browser to almost equal with it in Jan. of 2013.  


      It makes sense to build frameworks for HTML5 and do away with flash in preperation of whats to come but large scale restructuring and the costs associated with it are a bit much with the uncertainty of what is actually going to be needed over the next 3-5 years. I really think that has slowed the progression of the transition we are in and also what has sparked the adaptation in using alternative browsers, which has leveled the tablet playing field in regards to the internet.


      Given Videomaker just went through restructuring less than a year ago, I personally wouldn't invest any more money till it was a bit more clear what was necessary for say 2017-18. I would like flash to be dead as much as the next guy and I can't wait till we have H.265 but I think its going to be a while and to remain functional with the majority might not require much change for another couple years. I can't speak for apple's mobile browser as I haven't seen the numbers but on android there are three browsers becoming more popular than the android browser and they all support the functionality of the internet as it is. That would leave me to believe that the use of a browser such as puffin on the IPad will only increase.


    • #206055

      Hello Woody: I do appreciate your viewpoint.  H.265, also known as HEVC for "high efficiency video coding" has recently been adopted by the ITU.  However, H.265's biggest advantage is for streaming and it does not directly address anything to do with the iPad and its lack of support for flash nor provide a solution to websites on that issue, and it shouldn't because this is not a codec issue but a platform delivery choice.  H.265 is a logical enhancement of the current H.264 and promoses to compress video even further than H.264 with no visible loss of video quality.  But H.264 has been around now for some time, so much so that just about any new camcorder, dvd/blu-ray player supports it at the chip level.  However, the issue I raise and its solution is much simpler than some would make you belive .  My field is primarily web development:  I am a professional developer having worked with too many clients and encoding services to know that providing iPad compatible video is not at all that hard if some upfront planning is done with the objective of providing iPad compatibility as a goal – clearly that goal has not been one for Videomaker.   And that's the crux of the problem with most websites in general, very little up-front planning is done and the project is put on a fast-track with an arbitrary launch date to meet someones capricious "due date".  Later, when "something" doesn't quite work or client's start complaining management goes back and tries to fix what should have been done right the first time out – now talk about costing money – that's a very expenisve way to fix something.  In any case, as I said in my last post, this is an open-ended topic and there will always be reasons, hasten I say, escuses, why something was not done, and certainly individuals that come up with reasons why it "shouldn't" be done or "we need to wait".  The bottom line is that the iPad has been out more than 2 years already, there is a standard fix for the iPad VIdeo problem available almost as long and a vast majority of both small and not so small websites with compatibility in mind have either rebuilt their sites or created totally new ones that work for both flash compatible devices and non-flash compatible devices.  Eventually those sites that insist of continuing to provide flash-only deliveable content will face a rude awakening as browser makers are beginning to consider dropping flash support altogether.  But I'm getting ahead of my self here.   The fact that Videomaker went through a "restructuring" as you stated is to me not an excuse not to fix this issue. In fact, such a resturcturing should have been an obvious and clear opportunity to fix what's wrong with the website (one being the lack of iPad support).  Making a site iPad compatible is making it an "open standards" site with respect to video.  Other sites have done that long ago.  Video and web standards are always in flux and there will always be different and better ways to do something and using that an excuse, that it's too expensive or that things haven't quite settled yet so a clear decision can't be made, is simply refusing to bite the bullet.  If one waits for "things to settle" one may as well wait forever because things constantly change over time.  So let's see how long it takes Videomaker to get this issue resolved – I suspect never.  In any case, I look forward to that day in the distant future when I can view Videomaker on my iPAD without having to load 3rd party apps or other browsers or "flash workarounds".  


    • #206058

      Pete, just want to assure you I'm not being argumentitive in anyway. I believe as video producers we need to be deeply involved in what is going on with the web and I totally respect your opinion. I'm analytical to a fault and from my experience during the peak of the apple default mobile browser dominance to now I see a different picture.


      I'm betting when H.265 comes to be, it will be the last nail in the coffin for flash video We will finally have a low bit rate but yet high picture quality codec that it just won't be worth crushing it with flash conversion, which is my big issue with flash. With low bit rates and high picture quality we'll be able to use players that can play H.265 and store them wthout the need of conversion or have less compression at least for smaller file sizes. I believe that will be a game changer as it gives priority to maintaining picture quality not file size or platform distribution.


      When Iphones and Ipads first hit the market they did dominate it. It created a mobile market that the internet wasn't ready for. The majority of the video I do is for internet distribution and at that time it was a big deal especially in the marketing arenas that it be visible on the apple mobile platform. It fueled quite the movement to HTML5 at the time. It was my incentive as well to learn HTML5 and CSS3 as fast as I could just like it was for anyone else. The majority of my clients have no clue and a part of my service, especially for real estate is to get the video up for them. Lately I've seen quite a lack of the "Anxiousness" to comply with mobile platforms that I saw 1-2 years ago.


      Even as little as a year ago the apple mobile platform was a dominant player but in the last year that has significantly changed. Apple has lost a lot of ground and that makes becoming complient with the platform less of a priority. 3rd party browsers rule the internet (Google and Firefox) with default browsers like Safari and Explorer lagging on mere strings. The same seems to be happening in the tablet world and even with mobile platforms on phones. Its become a common thing to adapt to a 3rd party browser.


      My whole point is the dominance of the 3rd party browsers now has slowed the progression to HTML5 and away from flash. Like I said though, I'm sure not a proponent of flash by anymeans. I was however, happy to see things slow down a bit. People have been declaring flash dead since before the IPad came out but the popularity of these other browsers has given it a new lease on life and the priority of adapting to the the mobile internet has flip flopped and now the platforms are adapting to the internet to be functional as it is.


      Its not about excuses, merely weighing the expences of conversion against the numbers you can find in regards to web statistics and those numbers show the Ipad to be extremely low and dropping when compared to the internet as a whole. With many of Ipad users adapting to third party browsers, that shrinks the need even more to comply with the default browser even more.  There was just no way to change the internet as fast as people wanted to, so people changed mobile platforms to adapt. 


      It boggle's my mind to see how many businesses in this world still don't even have a website and then how many don't use the most powerful tool to sell on the internet (Video). But from that I'm not surprised to see the internet slow to convert or progress as even more businesses don't understand the importance of the mobile platforms in regards to sales of products or services, especially services. I can also see how a lot of that is also based on monies needed for conversion but that has all become a moot point as mobile users are adapting rather than wait on the internet. I'm sure all good things will come, just not as fast as it appeared 1-2 years ago. If Google Chrome and Safari were to change positions in web statistics I would most certainly agree with you but given their respective places and that of the ipads browser, I don't see the importance of spending money for websites to comply with the Ipads default browser.

    • #209422

      You guys have shared your concerns well.  I understand your side cinemapete, being a user of the application. The developers of Videomaker might be doing their best to produce an app for our ipads. Waiting for Videomaker to come out with i-pad compatible app. Need it before my daughter video editing training in the next few months.

    • #211538

      not friendly videos can  use some free converter to make them compatible.

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