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October 7, 2017 at 12:42 AM #95613usardesaiMember
Hello friends, this is the second video that I have edited. I used Kdenlive (on Linux). No prior editing experience on other softwares. Keeping aside the issue of the editing software for this discussion, how can I improve on my editing instincts, ex: pacing, story building, color palettes, etc.
Please provide necessary feedback for being a better editor. Editing on the beats, color correction/grading, better titles, audio sync and noise correction are some of the issues I faced.
What are the tools for doing:
1. Color correction
2. Titles and Font animations
3. Audio editing and Noise Reduction
4. AfterEffects styled animations, edits and titles.
October 9, 2017 at 1:56 PM #216270paulearsParticipant
Until you get good understanding genres, I’m not sure you want to get to your four questions. Being an editor tells the story. It lets the viewer understand where, when, why, what and how the things we see relate to each other. This video is a random collection of throw away clips from a day out. Who are they? What are they going to do? why are they doing what we see? How do we work out what is going on – is it a documentary or something else? Why do they keep suddenly going into fast motion? what for?
It isn’t a music video, so why would you cut on the beat – background music isn’t supposed to be listened to, it’s meant to set the mood, add drama, create tension or relaxation.
Some of the shots are shaky, blurry, low in contrast, high in contrast and generally uncontrolled. Some of the edits seem to make a person in the video stand out – then they just vanish? Until you sort out these basics, colour correction is icing on the not yet set cake.
Titles and captions just need to fit the product, so while there are rules on locations, these tend to fit more formal projects. Feel free to break the rules in a pop video, but keep to them in a documentary about something dull. Font animations – no idea. These are rarely thought of first.
Audio editing is an entire subject in itself, and nowadays is handled by the mainstream DAWs, but again, if you are Linux based, your choice is limited, but the free ones that will run on your platform are pretty good. Levels, quality, compression, limiting, eq, spacial processing with zillions of reverbs available for some DAWs. You’re looking at multi-track creations, and it’s deep and hard work. Noise reduction is a repair tool. It shouldn’t need to be used, and when it is, it’s a rough fix for occasional use.
After effects is absolutely something for later once you have the basics.
Telling the story is paramount. Yours just seems a collection of clips joined together, and quite difficult to watch.
Clearly English is not your first language, and of course my attempts at your language would be hopeless, but I did have trouble understanding what was said. I suspect that there was no planning and no re-shooting of the ‘scenes’, so you just had a fun day, and had a collection of random stuff. After all the years I’ve been doing it, I’m not a good natural editor, I always struggle to make it flow, but get there in the end. The editors nightmare when I was editing TV stuff was where a cameraman was given no brief, just a location – so he brought back loads of stuff and I had to make it into a two minute, or three minute piece. It’s so difficult to do.
So – you need to practice telling the stories and don’t worry so much about gizmos and treatments.
November 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM #277955palladini971Participant
The only editing flaw I saw was the guy running back to get the camera, that could have been cut out. And since your using Kdenlive, I can see your computer is running a Linux Operating system. Us folks in the Linux world do not have access to any program like after effects, but with GIMP, we can do wonders
And note to Paulears, if you have never investigated Kdenlive, it is a NLE Video Editing Platform that ranks right up there with Magic (Vegas) 12 or better.
December 3, 2017 at 3:58 AM #277971paulearsParticipant
I know – hence why I mentioned some of the free ones are very good – but I have to say that they are very good by a different standard. Don’t get me wrong – I’m not knocking it, but I cannot image running anything other than a mainstream OS. Linnux and the other ’boutique’ OS just don’t have the scope for operating properly without the user being computer savvy. Clearly some excellent products run on OSs that are not Windows or Apple – my lighting desks, for instance – but these products are stand alone and therefore the user doesn’t even realise a computer is at work inside. I resisted Adobe’s CC but now am very happy paying lots of money – I get value out of what I spend. The big issue I have is that if it plays up, or an update makes it unstable so I cannot work and earn money, I can complain, and Adobe are actually pretty good at responding. With something free, as a hobby – it doesn’t matter if when you turn on, it doesn’t work. You can always go on line and find the forums where in a while somebody tells you how to fix it, then lots of others say this fix is wrong, and eventually somebody arrives with step by step fixes. Hobby use? Fine. I’ve grown up with two main pieces of software – Premiere and Cubase. I use these every single day on multiple machines. Every now and then, somebodies favourite gets abandoned. It happened to me with Serious Magic when they were bought out. Using free software means that at any moment, something can change making your workflow stop. Vegas appears to be on the downwards slope now Magix have taken over. My Sony Soundforge I was very happy with suddenly ceased to be able to communicate with the servers at Magix, and they were unhelpful – so I don’t use it any more. Trust in it gone. I now use Audition which isn’t as good, but is at least supported. Sony had lots of my money over the years – I cannot imagine how relying on a free product would work for me. It’s cool people do rely on them – but not me. On the linux forums Kdenlive gets compared to Premier and Vegas in particular – saying how good it is. On the vegas and premier forums, oddly, nobody ever suggests the same.
I suspect that it’s just that until you have a very expensive workstation you always believe yours is as good. I did this myself, until I spent the dosh and discovered so many things just get better, because they’re built for work. Free products are excellent for some people. I’m not going to be converted though.
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