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April 30, 2012 at 3:25 AM #43373
I use Sonicfire Pro, by Smartsound Software. I love the versatility and music selections. However, I’ve been getting fraudulent claims from a variety of music distribution companies: Kontor New Media, INgrooves, SME, etc. I’ve provided proof, to include a letter from one of the vice presidents of Smartsound, but only had limited success in defending myself. This affects my “Revenue Sharing” as the videos are automatically excluded from this program. Is anyone else having issues with their royalty free music libraries?
April 30, 2012 at 4:20 AM #182014
Oops! A mea culpa here. Although the music I inserted in my video was royalty free, I neglected to account for what the DJ was playing. So, please learn from my mistake 😉
April 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM #182015AnonymousInactive
This is the biggest shame ever!
Kontor and other digital distributor also claimed my own written music which is distributed by another digital distributor and competitor in this market. The evil about this is, that those companys who claim, will earn the google money as long as another notices that his song has been claimed. So these evil companys make other people’s money instead.
In Hamburg are several of these companies…and we started fighting against each other:-)….
So….Just send them your proof that it is free music and fight against them!
Still in rage:-)…
April 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM #182016GregoryParticipant
You cannot win against Youtube. YouTube just lost their battle in German courts over copyrighted music on Youtube.
With fines and video removals Youtube is hurting. This case of course has put Youtube on the defensive. Any major player that makes any claim Youtube will most likely accept and believe. I tried to fight Youtube with Kevin MacLeod’s music, even Kevin the producer tried to fight them. You can’t fight Youtube. This German case has set a precedent, other courts currently considering similar cases will most likely now pass judgement against Youtube. Ever giant must fall. Youtube has (believe it or not) been a money looser. Google will not hold onto it as it is. Either they will strip the rights of Joe uploaded and go completely commercial or they will sell Youtube.
April 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM #182017birdcatParticipant
There is a known problem with SonicFire Pro music being mistaken for other music – I have had five or six videos flagged for this reason. I called SmartSound customer service about this and was told to just dispute the claim, which does work just fine and takes only minutes.
April 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM #182018theonecanoeParticipant
I too, have used Sonicfire created music and have had others claim it to belong to them. Disputing the claim with YouTube has gone nowhere. Very frustrating to say the least!
April 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM #182019
April 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM #182020AnonymousInactive
“You cannot win against Youtube. YouTube just lost their battle in German courts over copyrighted music on Youtube.”
<span style=”-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);”>Tasana, this doesn’t have anything to do why songs and videos are claimed by digital distributors like kontor as mentioned above.</span>
<span style=”-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);”></span><span style=”-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);”>In Germany it’s the royalty collecting GEMA, 800.000.000 Euros income per year appr and not sooooo small. They want money from YouTube for streaming their catalogue and for me it’s fair and okay because YouTube or so to say google earns loads of money with other people’s music!</span>
April 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM #182021composite1Member
That’s why I don’t put much up on the ‘Tube.
May 1, 2012 at 1:29 AM #182022
For me, I primarily have had problems from BFM Digital. I can’t believe the copyright Cops will bust you for music the DJ plays!!!
I have a feeling that we’re just beginning to have troubles with “Big Brother”. Whether or not you’re on Vimeo, YouTube or any other video site. We’re gonna have to figure out how to hold our own. In my case, I had to prove that I actually purchased the license. I also provided a letter from one of Smartsounds vice presidents…
May 1, 2012 at 11:45 AM #182023brunerwwMember
I use freestockmusic.com – they flagged me once, and blocked me from making money with ads on one of my videos. I disputed it immediately, and sent them a link to the freestockmusic license. YouTube re-monetized my video a few days later and I haven’t had the problem since.
YouTube is a business, not a charity. They’re trying to make money and not get sued – so they asked for proof that I had the rights to the material that I uploaded (for which they are legally liable). That makes sense to me – I’m trying to make money and not get sued too 😉
May 1, 2012 at 10:02 PM #182024AnonymousInactive
I am sorry for the strange letters in my post from yesterday….I posted it on my iphone….
Strange isn’t it?!?
Have a wonderful evening!!
May 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM #182025CharlesParticipant
This is another reason I only work with bands that have original music. I don’t want the headache of cover bands.
May 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM #182026
Sometimes you don’t know the type of musicians that you’d like to associate with. I suppose this forum might be a valuable resource in that regard, I’ve never tried.
Regardless, having a stock library is SOOooo convenient, I’ll put up with the hassles…for now 😉
May 7, 2012 at 3:04 AM #182027dagunnerParticipant
I stick to the CC-by music on CCmixter.org
I never had a problem with You tube with this music.You tubequestioned me onmusic from Sony Vegas Pro before. I dont use the music provided with software at all anymore. I have no association with CCmixter other than loving to search for the good cuts of music and conversing with the artists.
June 30, 2012 at 12:01 AM #182028georgeroyterParticipant
I compose my own background music for my videos and I have also had YouTube question my ownership. I mainly upload to Vimeo, never had a problem there, and I preferVimeo to YouTube.
June 30, 2012 at 3:44 AM #182029WoodyParticipant
Part of the problem is in titles. They use key words like SEO for websites to find things. Some royalty free stuff is similar to a popular song and will use a similar title and some I’m sure wind up with a similar title by chance.
The only only two times I ever had a problem was once with a Ted Nugent song but I had the release from Nugent and that cleared that up with Sony Entertainment. The other time was with a test video of an underwater camera I shot at Shearon Harris Reservoir in NC. There is an artist by the name of Shearon Harris I guess and I used the name of the lake in the title. The video had no audio what so ever as the camera can not capture it and I didn’t add anything. I went round and round with them on that one. So some of this is automated.
Which brings up the issue if you do any video SEO for anyone by uploading a transcript along with it. A lot of people think you can SEO by piggy backing on something popular (a name or phrase) but it can get you busted by the youtube copyright software and cause you problems.
food for thought
August 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM #182030AnonymousGuest
I too make my own music and have so far not been messed with, despite having done some “sound-a-like” songs.
I hadn’t heard that Youtube was losing money before. News to me.
August 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM #182031JackWolcottParticipant
This is a hugely complex area of law, one which U.S. copyright law really doesn’t define with clarity. The issues associated with “fair use” and “de minimis” are the subject of a great deal of case law and to say that they are gray and foggy is to say that the Titanic had a run of bad luck!
I have read and re-read both the law itself and the results of quite a few cases of so-called copyright infringement defended by attorneys who invoke “fair use” and “de minimis” and have come away bewildered by it all. I’m not an attorney: the copyright code is incomprehensible to a ordinary citizen as well at to attorneys and judges.
I suspect that You Tube and others, to avoid having to get into the fray, have decided that any music or image that even faintly smells of copyright must be excluded, placing the burden of permission entirely on us, the content creators.
Like composit1, I rarely post to You Tube myself and never, ever, post for a client. If I need to share a video clip I either post it on my own web site or create a link on my web site to the material on my client’s site.
August 4, 2012 at 8:09 PM #182032paulearsParticipant
I always offer my clients options on music – so if they have some kind of preference, I give them the option (and cost) of the original or suggest they consider me producing them something similar, but different, that they can use without worries of licenses. I produce what they want in the studio and then grant them permission to use it for any purpose for a period of two years. Most products won’t be used after that time, so I retain the copyright and can use it again if I wish. Oddly, I too have had Youtube question the copyright – but I certified I owned the material and they accepted it.
August 7, 2012 at 3:12 AM #182033EddieValiantParticipant
Copyright trolling is becoming a major league sport on Youtube. I had one such outfit file a claim with a YT video I’d posted. I used stock music from FootageFirm. YT asked for my response. I told them the challenger was a troll, and to use Google to look them up. About one week later, the claim was dismissed.
These trolls use spiders to search for anything and often file dozens of challenges. Google needs to screen these clowns, block their IP addresses, and routinely dismiss any challenge from them.
August 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM #182034AnonymousGuest
YouTube has really gone off the deep end in their ruthless “witch-hunt”, even to the point of penalizing paying Sound Exchange members! We’ve had enough of their bogus claims and strong-arm tactics-our account is closed and we moved everything over to Vimeo. Their site is much more professional-looking, and they don’t needlessly hassle their clients. Just goes to show-there IS life after YouTube!
August 27, 2012 at 7:41 PM #182035
Paula, Vimeo is another avenue. I just wonder how long it will take the “trolls” to migrate to it…
August 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM #203875paulearsParticipant
I have a suspicion that the Royalty Free suppliers often encourage youtube. Many Royalty Free products require a one-off payment, so are NOT copyright free. I suspect they are trying to encourage people to buy it. If you have paid for royalty free material, you cannot share it with a colleague and then have them use it free in most cases. This I strongly suspect is what is happening. YTs own search system could be correctly identifying the ‘free’ music.
Unless the music producers keep their material to themselves, youtube will spot it. I’m using guesswork, but I wonder if youtube look for repeats of music – so when they find 6 or 7 videos with the same fingerprint, common sense would flag it as an infringement. Any form of repetition is what the automated systems will detect. The fact you have permission is for arguing later?
November 29, 2013 at 6:47 AM #209250SIPParticipant
"Don't let the bastards get you down" is the slogan from a figurine I have on my desk. Google/YouTube is in the business of making money not arbitration.(who it right or wrong) They may consider your "Revenue Sharing" problems as a mite on a flea on the back of a Camel. Did you ever notice there are NO, "contact us" links on YouTube pages? They take the cream off the top and leave the skim milk for the peasants. You can't win this one even if you are right… move on.
January 13, 2014 at 6:15 PM #209540DanParticipant
Yes, anytime you use royalty free sounds that are accessible to other music producers to incorporate into their work, then this can happen.
The problem is that music that uses Sonicfire Pro, Sony ACID loops, Garage band loops, etc. should not be allowed in the YouTube Content ID system.
YouTube simply does not understand this issue and has no real reason to.
April 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM #209495BradleyParticipant
I am a videographer for a friends cover band.Youtube tagged and deleted audio on several songs,but i some how convince them that the band made no money on the performance in question.I was given a list of publishing companies that had song rights.The publishing right services were to reply to youtubes flagging,but instead they all told youtube to undo the audio muting of my videos.One person from Warner brother commented that the cover of Paranoid by Black Sabbath was well done.
May 18, 2017 at 1:20 AM #215590VancityVidMember
I’ve had the same problem with a lot of stock music sites, even full take down notices for copyright violation without warning. Try https://www.ritualmusic.com/ . Ridiculously good music and they own 100% of their copyrights and they intentionally don’t register their music with ContentID to make sure their clients never have this issue.
May 19, 2017 at 2:13 AM #215594CharlesBennettParticipant
I have had this happen twice, but both times resolved in my favour. I use music from Audioblocks and they will challenge any copyright claims against their music for you. I also contest the claim to help matters along.
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