Which Camcorder HMC 40 TM700 or maybe HMC 150

kmaultsby's picture
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Hello everyone getting back into my favorite hobby will be
purchase my first tape-less camcorder. I edit with Avid Media Composer
5. I do not do this for a living just a hobby. The events I will be
using the camcorder for is things like Air, and Car Shows, Vacations, and
family events. I am looking at the Panasonic TM700 and HMC-40 and if I
can fine a used one HMC 150 but the 150 most likely will be out of my budget,
back to 700 and the 40. What are the major differences between the two?
I worry about the 40 maybe too big for taking on vacation. I would love
to read any suggestion and feedback on the cameras. What are the advantages disadvantages?


EarlC's picture
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HMC-40 is a decent enough product but I continue to have a personal aversion to the CMOS sensors. I prefer the HMC-150 primarily because it has CCD sensors that do not experience some of the "issues" of the CMOS variety.

There's also the shoulder-size HMC-70 that, although it's CMOS based, sounds like a sweet compromise and allows for SD and HD production work. Actually, the Videomaker banner ad features an HMC-80 for about $2,885 that looks interesting, also CMOS.

Canon's Vixia line has some suitable models worth considering, and there's a host of Sony enthusiasts here who will no doubt pipe in.


XTR-91's picture
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Max portability - I'd choose the TM700. If you've got money, than I'd get the HMC80. The only real issue with CMOS is rolling shutter. You don't really notice it with high end camcorders, though.

I only notice it on my Panasonic TM700 with sudden jerks in 24p (web-converted) video. Blur's a side effect of shutter speed - in all video cams.


Charles Schultz's picture
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We just purchased the HMC80 for work and as long as you will keep the camera stationary and have no flashes going off what so ever then it is a fine camera, great picture quality. On board mic is an on board mic, get a good shotgun and or lavaliere mic. It also does pretty good in low light situations and with a 32 bit SD/SDHC card can record more than 3 hours in PH mode. The only problem with the c-mos sensor is when there are camera flashes going off, it does not record the whole flash so you will get a frame or two with half the frame showing the flash and the bottom part having not flash. Also, if you are going to be panning and there are vertical object they will appear to lean a little bit if panning too quickly. Personally, I would suggest the HMC150 with CCD sensors for a good camera and I will be picking one up shortly.


Eugene Rohland's picture
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The pro ccd arguments seem totally valid. Why then are all new cams now rigged with cmos censors ?

Canonwill be releasing the XA10 soon. It seems worth considering.


EarlC's picture
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CMOS is cheaper to produce and people are buying into it, accepting it in spite of real or perceived limitations. Bottom line with the big boy camera manufacturers is money. All else follows, but no profit, no business.


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I recently purchased the HMC-150 and we already own the HMC-80 and I can tell you the CCD sensor is much better than the CMOS. You do not have all the problems associated with vertical lines. If I to do it again we would have purchased two 150's. The low light capabilities are much better than most cameras that I have used.


Eugene Rohland's picture
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"CMOS is cheaper to produce and people are buying into it, accepting it in spite of real or perceived limitations. Bottom line with the big boy camera manufacturers is money. All else follows, but no profit, no business." -- EarlC.

I have been battling to find a dealer in Panasonic Pro equipment here in South Africa. Finally, today I came across the sole agent of Panasonic Pro. During the course of my enquiry about the HMC154 (HMC150 in the US) the conversation with the sales person drifted into a discussion about the pros and cons of CMOS vs CCD. It was rather revealing when the Panasonic guy admitted that it costs too much to produce CCD sensors, the manufacturig cost between the two to differ by about30%. What was interesting too washis remark that the CMOS sensor was produced first and, owing to the known problems with CMOS, the CCD was developed. Earl, your quoted words above are spot on.

Just for interest - in the US you are a $1,000 better off with the HMC150 than with the Sony NX5. Here in Johannesburg I was quoted R39,000 for the HMC154 which is the same price as the NX5. Bad news.


XTR-91's picture
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Costs too much in manufacturing price or battery life? That's my experience with the JVC GZ-MG505 camcorder; it lasts about 30 minutes from full-charged battery.


Charles Schultz's picture
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The extended battery size you can get with the HMC150 will last about 6 hours.