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    • #36807
      AvatarAnonymous
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      Hi.. New Here.. Been reading up through the post and just wanted to get the Pro’s and Con’s of Avid Liquid – Sony Vegas (full) – and Adobe editing software. I curentlly use Studio 10 and started with Studio 8 in making videos. I’m in the process of looking to upgrade my software to be able to do better graphics, better sound countrol, and a little quicker rendering .. Thanks for the help in advance..

      Rich
      Outer Limit Graphics

  • #163482
    AvatarAnonymous
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    Yeah the Liquid does look inticing.. Especially at the upgrade Price.. Plus Avid said they’ll give me 10% off the upgrade for the trouble I had installing version 10.. What a diasaster that was.. Funny thing is once it was installed "RIGHT" with all the updates and such it isn’t a bad program.. I just have to remember to let it catch up on rendering sometimes or it crashes..

  • #163483
    AvatarAnonymous
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    I would have dissagree. I went with vegas after using both pinnacle studio 10+ ( what a waste of money that was ) and premiere 6.5. Vegas has not crashed once!! and it dose more then liqued. The interface is a little diffrent but it works for me. Befor you decide try all three demos to see what works for you.

  • #163484
    AvatarAnonymous
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    Premiere Pro 2 is quite a bit different than version 6.5.

  • #163485
    AvatarAnonymous
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    My man "Chapman" gave the best possible advice one could give in regards to what software solution to use for editing. Download the trial versions and see for yourself. Just about all of the companies offer this feature. This way you can test drive it and make a solid decision on your own versus being stuck with biased opinions from everybody.

    RAM

  • #163486
    Avatartpainter
    Participant

    [quote="Chapman Photography"]I would have dissagree. I went with vegas after using both pinnacle studio 10+ ( what a waste of money that was ) and premiere 6.5. Vegas has not crashed once!! and it dose more then liqued. The interface is a little diffrent but it works for me. Befor you decide try all three demos to see what works for you.[/quote]

    I have the exact same experience. I did try PPRo 2 and it was like learning a whole new program. Vegas is a great program!

  • #163488
    Avatarvideolab
    Participant

    I would say that it depends on what you want to do. If you want to go pro and get a job editing someday then you should learn either and Avid system or Premiere (Premiere is not used professionally as much as Avid or Final Cut but Premiere is a good stepping stone because it operates just like Final Cut. If you know premiere you can learn FCP in a day or two easy) If you dont intend to go pro then download some demos and try them all out. See which one you like. If you are just doing it as a hobby then you should use what ever works best for you editing style. If you plan to get a job doing editing I would stick with the big A’s Apple, Avid and Adobe. If you really want to improve your graphics I would go with the Adobe bundle. It includes After Effects which is the industry standard in motion graphics creation.

  • #163487
    AvatarAnonymous
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    [quote="videolab"]I would say that it depends on what you want to do. If you want to go pro and get a job editing someday then you should learn either and Avid system or Premiere (Premiere is not used professionally as much as Avid or Final Cut but Premiere is a good stepping stone because it operates just like Final Cut. If you know premiere you can learn FCP in a day or two easy) If you dont intend to go pro then download some demos and try them all out. See which one you like. If you are just doing it as a hobby then you should use what ever works best for you editing style. If you plan to get a job doing editing I would stick with the big A’s Apple, Avid and Adobe. If you really want to improve your graphics I would go with the Adobe bundle. It includes After Effects which is the industry standard in motion graphics creation.[/quote]

    More and more pros are using Vegas+ DVD, yes Avid and apple have the biggest percentage of pro users but vegas is catching up. Adobe is "nice" but not even close to what vegas can do.

    http://www.eventdv.net/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?CategoryID=62&ArticleID=10771

  • #163489
    Avatarvideolab
    Participant

    Chapman, While I do agree with you that Vegas is a great piece of software, and it has some interesting features. However two things that it does not have that the other bundles do have is a real compositing component like After Effects. This is the one of two things that Premiere has over vegas bar none. With after effects you can produce graphics and effects that would not at all be possible with any editing software. Also Premiere’s interface is very similar to Final Cuts so if you know the Premiere interface moving to FCP is not hard at all. Vegas’ biggest problem and greatest feature is the interface. It is great because it is innovative and shows that they are not afraid to move away from a more conventional interface. This is also Vegas’ hinderance because it makes the transition to a different piece of software longer. Also professional hardware support like Black Magic cards and AJA is limited (if there is any at all)which will turn away any pro.

  • #163490
    AvatarAnonymous
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    Vegas and Deck Link HD Pro work hand in hand, I don’t know if this was added it a newer release. As far as After Effects thats a stand alone program that you can use with vegas or any other program that can use its file format. Premiere and liqued are graet for broadcast tv. I think that as the video business progresses vegas will get more of the market.

  • #163491
    AvatarAnonymous
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    [quote="compusolver"]And I haven’t seen a version of Vegas yet that natively handles multi-cam editing. Premiere Pro 2.0 takes up to four cameras and gives you four simultanious monitors for easy multi-cam editing.[/quote]

    You can have unlimited video tracks in vegas. If your talking live switching then yes premiere and liqued do this better, but that really is best for broadcast tv or editing on site. You’ll be better off with a hardware switcher for that anyway.

  • #163492
    Avatartpainter
    Participant

    I have Premiere 6.5 — I decided I was going to upgrade this year and looked at both PP 2 and Vegas.

    To address the learning curve question – Switching from Premiere to Vegas was not nearly as difficult as I expected. PP 2 is so much different than 6.5, that I would have had just as much trouble upgrading as I would have switching to a new NLE altogether. (Not that I found either one difficult anyway, just that there is really no issue with a "learning curve")

    Adobe has an advantage with the integration of all their other products, but I didn’t see that as a deal breaker. But as chapman noted, it is a separate purchase and works fine stand alone.

    Vegas wins hands down in the audio department. That was one of the reasons I switched.
    I had a lot of problems with stability on Adobe. Vegas has been much more stable.

    But one of the main reasons I switched is that I found so many more available resources, free plugins and scripts, and user community than I did with Premiere. In fact, there is a plugin available that will let you do multi-cam editing.

    Either way, I think that if you are going to go "pro" then it will pay well to be familiar with all different types of programs.

  • #163493
    AvatarAnonymous
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    [quote="tpainter"]I have Premiere 6.5 — I decided I was going to upgrade this year and looked at both PP 2 and Vegas.

    To address the learning curve question – Switching from Premiere to Vegas was not nearly as difficult as I expected. PP 2 is so much different than 6.5, that I would have had just as much trouble upgrading as I would have switching to a new NLE altogether. (Not that I found either one difficult anyway, just that there is really no issue with a "learning curve")

    Adobe has an advantage with the integration of all their other products, but I didn’t see that as a deal breaker. But as chapman noted, it is a separate purchase and works fine stand alone.

    Vegas wins hands down in the audio department. That was one of the reasons I switched.
    I had a lot of problems with stability on Adobe. Vegas has been much more stable.

    But one of the main reasons I switched is that I found so many more available resources, free plugins and scripts, and user community than I did with Premiere. In fact, there is a plugin available that will let you do multi-cam editing.

    Either way, I think that if you are going to go "pro" then it will pay well to be familiar with all different types of programs.[/quote]

    The excaliber plug in dose multicam. The guy that wrote the program runs jetdv.com a vegas community forum. Thats a good point about the Audio be a selling point.

  • #163494
    AvatarAnonymous
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    I agree Audition is a great program I have 1.5, but then again thats a stand alone program that you can use with any NLE. Vegas has one built in and if you need more you can get acid or sound forge.

    I dont disagree, Premiere pro is a good product. I just think that with the things that vegas is doing will start to get more of the market share and more people will choose vegas over others. here in the pacific northwest alot of comercials are being done with vegas as well as local news channels, KOMO 4, KIRO 7 both use vegas/excaliber.

  • #163495
    AvatarAnonymous
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    as far as the multicam pro you give for Premiere Pro, it’s not difficult (and quiet easy) to work with multicams in Vegas. You can just line up all your cams on different video tracks, lock them, and use the mute buttons to switch between them (and view each of them) very quickly. This is what I do and it works very nicely. I’ll have to check out that excalibur plugin.

    I do use After Effects and agree it’s a great program to have in the arsenal

  • #163496
    AvatarAnonymous
    Inactive

    I’ll check out that plugin, but I’m not going back to Premiere just for that lol. I like Vegas way too much more to give it up for that. I’ll check out that excalibur plugin instead. And it DOESN’T take me very long to edit a wedding using the method I stated, but I can understand your reasoning

  • #163497
    Avatartpainter
    Participant

    There are 2 3rd party plugins that offer multi-cam support in Vegas that I am aware of that have been received favorably: Excalibur by JetDV and the Ultimate S plugin from VASST.

    Let me say up front that I have no experience doing multi-cam yet, so I have not used either one. I won’t begin to claim it is superior in anyway to PP and don’t want to seem like I am arguing against PPro here. Just throwing it out for informational purposes.

    I happened to come across this article today — http://digitalcontentproducer.com/workflow/multicam_roundup_part/
    and the author discusses how the VASST plugin works and compares it with PPro a little bit. It is the first part of a series, I guess, so it is not complete.

  • #163498
    AvatarAnonymous
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    [quote="jimbodeanny"]as far as the multicam pro you give for Premiere Pro, it’s not difficult (and quiet easy) to work with multicams in Vegas. You can just line up all your cams on different video tracks, lock them, and use the mute buttons to switch between them (and view each of them) very quickly. This is what I do and it works very nicely. I’ll have to check out that excalibur plugin.

    I do use After Effects and agree it’s a great program to have in the arsenal[/quote]

    Thats how I do it and it works great. It only takes me a day to do a wedding vid with vegas, and thats with menus, Scene selection and photo comp. You can get the demo for excaliber at jetdv.com. If you need help just post your question on the forums.

  • #163499
    Avatarvideolab
    Participant

    I am with compusolver. The live switching introduced in Avid a few years back and is now in most every professional editing app has revolutionized multicam editing. Once you get the clips synced you can edit the entire program in real time if you wanted to. You will never edit multicam the old way again.

  • #163500
    AvatarAnonymous
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    We are!! I use Vegas 😯 PP can’t do anything vegas can’t even if you can do live switching big deal. look at the adobe forums and you’ll see people complain, it crashes, why can’t I do this, why can’t I do that you don’t see that on the vegas forums. Why, vegas dose not crash as often. Good luck with pp. or Avid I’m sticking with a winner!

  • #163501
    AvatarAnonymous
    Inactive

    And I agree, but all I’m saying that the way vegas is now, and the way they keep inproving it it will make a dent in adobes sales, I like adobe products I have photoshop cs2, illustrator cs, after effects 6.0 and premiere 6.5. So I do no adobes capabilities and faults. I never had any luck with there tech support. So don’t get me wrong, I think both are capable programs i just think vegas is a little more flexable. Stop by jetdv and see what some of the guys are doing.

  • #163502
    AvatarAnonymous
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    First of all… I think all of you who do weddings are nuts! Dealing with crazed brides to be? EEeek sounds like a nightmare; more power to ya!

    Anyways, regarding the software; personally I started with Premiere Pro, worked my way up to Pro 2.0. I like the software, but it’s a little overwealming at first to learn all the different interfaces, and I still haven’t made good use of what they call Dynamic Linking.

    Price does come into play with the Adobe products, fortunately I have an I.T. Dept. behind me for the $$$.

    Bottom line is, whatever YOU feel comfortable using! Mac., P.C. … doesn’t make a bit of difference! the END RESULT is VIDEO. Doesn’t really matter how you get there. My opinion at least, I’m sure there are tons more out there.

    Good luck with your chioce. πŸ™‚

  • #163503
    AvatarAnonymous
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    Yes, it A good time all around. I have no trouble with the Photographers most of them I know because I start out in still work. Most will actualy let you tag along as long as you stay out of their way.

  • #163504
    Avatarvideolab
    Participant

    [quote="Chapman Photography"]We are!! I use Vegas 😯 PP can’t do anything vegas can’t even if you can do live switching big deal. look at the adobe forums and you’ll see people complain, it crashes, why can’t I do this, why can’t I do that you don’t see that on the vegas forums. Why, vegas dose not crash as often. Good luck with pp. or Avid I’m sticking with a winner![/quote]
    I certanly dont thing that you can call Vegas a winner compared to Avid. Like it or not Avid IS the program that most films and prime time shows are edited on. And sorry to tell you this but Final cut pro is the only thing Avid is worried about. Personally I like premiere best. Although since I am at the mercy of what my employer wants to use I use what I am given. Which is Avid or Final Cut in my experience. Vegas is a great program it has a unique interface and some inovative features. However it is by no means a contender in many markets. Prosumers yes. High end pros not really.

  • #163505
    AvatarAnonymous
    Inactive

    Here’s an idea PICK ONE!

    Make your movie!

    I know it sounds harsh, but seriously, whatever you are comfortable with and how capable your hardware is what it comes down to. Half the mystery is "How he (or she) do that? "I wonder what software they used?"

    Just my opinion

    ~Furball

  • #163506
    AvatarAnonymous
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    [quote="videolab"][quote="Chapman Photography"]We are!! I use Vegas 😯 PP can’t do anything vegas can’t even if you can do live switching big deal. look at the adobe forums and you’ll see people complain, it crashes, why can’t I do this, why can’t I do that you don’t see that on the vegas forums. Why, vegas dose not crash as often. Good luck with pp. or Avid I’m sticking with a winner![/quote]
    I certanly dont thing that you can call Vegas a winner compared to Avid. Like it or not Avid IS the program that most films and prime time shows are edited on. And sorry to tell you this but Final cut pro is the only thing Avid is worried about. Personally I like premiere best. Although since I am at the mercy of what my employer wants to use I use what I am given. Which is Avid or Final Cut in my experience. Vegas is a great program it has a unique interface and some inovative features. However it is by no means a contender in many markets. Prosumers yes. High end pros not really.[/quote]

    Keep telling yourself that.. IMHO Liqued blows! yes FCP is the prefered choice for features, Avid unity for "broadcast tv" As far as the "benifits" people keep listing for PP2.0 they are "stand alone" programs, After effects, Audition, encore. Have someone make a vid with what ever they want and vid with vegas will be just as good.

  • #163507
    Avatarvideolab
    Participant

    eep telling yourself that.. IMHO Liqued blows! yes FCP is the prefered choice for features, Avid unity for "broadcast tv" As far as the "benifits" people keep listing for PP2.0 they are "stand alone" programs, After effects, Audition, encore. Have someone make a vid with what ever they want and vid with vegas will be just as good.

    First off you are showing how much you know about Avid. Unity is not even editing software and Liquid is a pinnacle product that they picked up from a merger, and yes it sucks. In fact I dont like avid period. Their interface is the same as it has been since the early nineties and is very outdated and is just not as good as it could be. Vegas is fine for someone does wedding videos,or a hobbyist or a whole company that wants to use it. Because these people can choose what they want to use. People like me however who work professionally need to know the software that will be used on the job. Currently that means Avid and Final Cut Pro. Personally I like Premiere because of its interface and integration with after effects (I am a motion graphics artist so this is very important to me) but premiere is not the program usually used by pros. Although they like Vegas are gaining ground as post houses look at the cheap solutions. I think editing software is editing software and people who dont need to worry about getting a job should use what ever they want to use because frankly they all cut and they all have dissolves any good editor needs no more. People who wish to someday work in the industry should look into the more standard solutions like Avid and FCP and even premiere(the interface is so similar to FCP that if you know one it is very easy to switch if need be). If I did not know the standard software like After Effects and FCP if I had a job in the industry it would be no where near as good as the one I have. Again Vegas is great software and has some innovative features, and is making some inroads into professional production but Avid and Apple still rule the roost as far as professionals go.

  • #163508
    AvatarAnonymous
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    I do video editing for a school district and have used vegas with a lot of success. I did about 250 video projects last year, (ya know thinking about it, since thats not my job – Im a Compliance Specialist – thye should probably pay me a stipend) some included multiple cameras (and there is no switching you must sync the different tracks with a little practice its not too bad), Chroma Keying (very forgiving on the lighting) PIP, and almost all projects were needed quickly. We rarely did anything live because kids scratch themselves, pick their noses ya know – and making a DVD was simple and painless. I also used it to remaster the music for a musical, and record music for competitions, and even to record multiple tracks for a Cat in the Hat music video that the students created. My 5th grade gifted students were able to make a Star Spangled Banner DVD that included the words using Vegas, and Digital Juice. For the schools (elementary) it worked great and for a school costs about $250.00 so no complaints.

    This year Im being moved to a brand new school with a brand new Production LAb (they told me to spend $10,000.00 on it), and we will be an all Mac school sooooooo…. now I will learn how to use Final Pro I guess

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