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January 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM #46821
NewBirthProductions
Participantok just finished a project that will be on a web site and streamed. question is what format? there’s a ton of options in FCP. I want it to look good in full screen mode and i don’t care much about bandwidth. most of the people that will be viewing it will be on lan or have a T3 or better, everyone else can download it.
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January 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM #192748
birdcat
ParticipantSWF and FLV spring to mind – Also MP4.
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January 28, 2009 at 4:26 PM #192749
jerronsmith
Participantswf isn’t a video format, it is the format for flash movies, which even though they are called movies are either animations or applications.
There are really only three viable formats for streaming video online; Flash Video (.flv), Apple Quicktime (.mov) and Windows Media (.wmv). Each of them requires that the viewer have a different plugin to work, the flash player plugin is the most ubiquitous.
Once you decide on a format, each of them have unique codecs for compressing the video file, most will have the option to use a variation of the h.264 standard.
Quality and size actually will vary based on what codec you choose and the actual footage itself.
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January 31, 2009 at 4:14 AM #192750
XTR-91
ParticipantThereseveral types offormats for online streaming. WMV, RealVideo (.rm), and QuickTimeare probably the most common, as they can be adjusted to a wide range of qualities. Portable MP4 is another option for saving pod-sized files. MP4 AVC uses a higher level encoder but is incompatible with most players.
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January 31, 2009 at 4:30 AM #192751
Rob
ParticipantI usually use H.264 codec, which is a type of .mov (quicktime).
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January 31, 2009 at 6:22 AM #192752
Anonymous
InactiveI use and recommend WMV: Profile NTSC 720 by 480 at 1024kbs , This Codec is one of MS professional codecs, If your on a LAN then there wont be problem streaming this.
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January 31, 2009 at 6:30 AM #192753
Rob
ParticipantNTSC is for TV viewing, not computer screen viewing. The major difference is the pixel aspect ratio. NTSC and PAL both have non-square pixels while computers have square pixels. Therefore, H.264 will be a better choice for computer viewing, not NTSC.
Sorry, Robo. I’m not trying to 1-up you. Just saying…
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January 31, 2009 at 7:07 AM #192754
Anonymous
InactiveThe NTSC is just part of the profile name because the the Letter box is 720x 480 , Plus MS Got rid of there DRM , the newer DVD (Non blue ray)home players players can play back WMV. so this codec is also Ideal for that also with out haveing to change formats for veiwing.
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January 31, 2009 at 7:08 AM #192755
Anonymous
InactivePlus if you wnated to Play back from your computer on a CTR TV the option to interlace or progressive is there.
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January 31, 2009 at 7:19 AM #192756
Anonymous
InactiveH.264 codec streamable , or does it have to be downloaded?or is it progressive downloaded? His question was something that could be streamed.
“ok just finished a project that will be on a web site and streamed”
Progessive download ,such as flash and QT are not streaming.
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January 31, 2009 at 7:34 AM #192757
Anonymous
InactiveH.264 in MP2TS, SD/NTSC 4:3, 3mbps
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January 31, 2009 at 7:37 AM #192758
Anonymous
InactiveWeb version : H.264 in mp4, 320×240, 30fps
HD Version: H.264 in MP2TS, 1280x1080i 29/97fps, 10mbps ///H.264 in MP2TS, 1920x1080i 29.97fps, 10mbps
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January 31, 2009 at 7:40 AM #192759
Anonymous
InactiveWindows Media, 720 x 480, 29.97fps, use constrained VBR or CBRfor both video and audio, NTSC SD footage. 4mps max , 1mps min
I was trying to keep it simple.
🙂
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January 31, 2009 at 7:51 AM #192760
Anonymous
Inactivethe acual file extention for H.264 is H.264, you need QT 7.5.5 to play it Backand and apatch The version 1.1.1 (from apples web site). Or just download VLC.
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January 31, 2009 at 8:05 AM #192761
Rob
ParticipantWow. I tap. You’ve been doing your homework Robo. I must admit I don’t really know what you went on about though.
But no, the file extension for H.264 is not “H.264.” I use it all the time, it’s “.mov”. And you don’t need Quicktime 7.5.5, I know earlier versions can play H.264. I’ve sent others who I work with H.264 files and they viewed it on their PCs. So on my Mac and their PCs, it’s consistantly .mov. I dunno what you’re looking at.
gnite.
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January 31, 2009 at 8:11 AM #192762
Rob
ParticipantWait…I should clarify.
The file extension for H.264 is .mov when I’m working with Quicktime files. I’m not sure what the file extension would be if used with another player
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January 31, 2009 at 10:12 AM #192763
Anonymous
InactiveI will bet u your MAC I Looking at the file Extension Now
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January 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM #192764
Anonymous
InactiveIt doesnt matter the player a file is encoded one way. most Likly FCP or your QT encoder acually puts the clip in a simpler MP4, Not H.264, H.264 has 2 versions MP4,MV4,Imov,MOV(the Freebee) MP2TS wich is MPEG2 (Higher compression than standard M2P),I know this because I own and have the rights to use it. I didnt find any of this information on the Web. I own the professional Versions of these Codecs THey are notfree any means.
Im telling you the files that your outputing to are not true H.264 Files you are using the comppersser in QT wich uses H.264 as a compresser but it does not out put the file to H.264 because its really a MPEG2 Codec. , Im not Making this up;MP4 version extension is not .mov its .mp4 , Windows doesnt make up files extension regradless of the player , Windows Media cant even read this file , Inlees you use the MP4 version.
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January 31, 2009 at 11:18 AM #192765
Anonymous
InactiveBy the way Apple Does notown H.264 Is not even owned by apple it belongs to the MPEG group or somtimes called the MPEG consortium .
Apple has bought the rights to develope it and made there own custom version.
And there many bugs with it ; WMV has been proven time agin , and most end user are on a PC not a MAC so it makes sense to put your final format to the Custamer in the format that is more user friendley to them not the editor , regradless of are personal perferance. The Custamer get what he or she wants.
Thats whats nice about Premire I can export AVI or QT. Im not stuck with what Apple wants me to use. I stay away from any propriatyness. Even my captrue system does analog, SD, and HD. Im not stuck eating one apple. When I have a full forest of trees.
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January 31, 2009 at 12:31 PM #192766
Anonymous
InactiveNTSC or PAL have nothing to do with Square or round Pixals. They tell you how many lines are drawn on screen. Since most computer content is deinterlance or done in progressive They only thing then that matters is the letter BOX size and Frames persecond PAL is 25 NTSC is 30: HD PAL is 50 or 25: HD NTSC is 60 or 30, what standard is it 720x480NTSC or 720x576PAL the I or P after the letter box size will tell you if its Interlace or Proggressive. EXpample 60I , 30p, 30I, or 480i ,720p,1080p:NTSC always plays back at 29.97fps no matter what even if you shoot and encoded it at 24fps , NTSC always plays back at 29.97FPS
And if you use a proffesional thrid party encoder you can change the pixals any ways from round to square.
Your using Apples version of H.264 wich its extension is .MP4 , I just look on the MAC across the hall.
The Mpeg2 version is .H.264
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February 1, 2009 at 4:52 AM #192767
jerronsmith
Participant@Robo,
Flash, Quicktime, Real, and Windows Media are all possible streaming formats. Whether a video is fully streaming or progressive download is a matter of what type of server you have access to.
The latest numbers I see say that the Flash player is the most ubiquitous media player online. WMV will only run on a PC, while Flash video will run on both Mac and PC, quicktime will run on both, and I am unsure of the real player. If you wanted to reach a cross platform audience with WMV you would have to use the Silverlight platform from Microsoft, which is a cross browser, cross platform technology
Initially, the term streaming was used when discussing web technologies that did not have to fully download to the user’s computer before they would display. We used to have to use mpeg-1 files in web pages (you still could if you wanted to) the problem with them is that the files have to fully download to the users computers before they will display at all, so web video was severely limited. Of the four video formats that are streamable any of them can be delivered via progressive download or full streaming. The question is what type of server do you have access to. A standard web server is going to offer you the progressive download option while a streamig server will give you a fully integrated streaming experience.
@Rob,
h.264 is a codec while .mov is a format, they aren’t the same thing. The quicktime file is encoded using the h.264 codec.
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February 1, 2009 at 6:09 AM #192768
Rob
Participanth.264 is a codec while .mov is a format, they aren’t the same thing. The quicktime file is encoded using the h.264 codec.
I know. Did I say something to suggest something else? I’m not trying to sound snappy or rude, I just don’t know where I implied that .mov is a codec.
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February 1, 2009 at 4:05 PM #192769
jerronsmith
Participantrob,
when you said that h.264 codec is a type of .mov file, that suggested to me that there was some confusion on your part as to the difference between format and codec.
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February 1, 2009 at 10:44 PM #192770
Anonymous
InactiveSorry for confusion.
I Just got a little hook when a typical MAC user has one answer that Apple is the only way without giving any alternitives.
I think back to the orginal question. If he is onINTRATE he will have to pruchase Flash server. In less he can setup His .Local if on a (Windows Server)to intergrate itself with the Web for that type of service without haveing to spend a bundle in 3rd party security.
But if he is going to stream from a web sight then he can find a remote service to host his video. Either u-tube or many others out there now for free.
Flash is Ideal for www content , But on a Local Intrate .Local (Active Directory) to save time and money I would do it in WMV
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February 1, 2009 at 11:01 PM #192771
jerronsmith
ParticipantWMV is streamable on an intranet provided you are running a windows server. If you aren’t, it wouldn’t work any better than any other solution. Though technically you can use Windows media player 11 as a streaming server if you try, that probably isn’t the solution he had in mind. If you were already running a Linux server, going with Apache and streaming quicktime video would be more practical.
Real, WMV, Flash, and Quicktime streaming all require there own streaming server. Windows can be streamed without the need for additional tech if you already have a windows server set up and Quicktime can be streamed from the open source Apache streaming server. Real and Flash would be an additional fee if you want to purchase your own server but for most uses merely using a hosted solution (Akamai, vitalStream, etc) is more practical. I do believe that Microsoft has a service that provides up to 10gb(?) of space on their streaming servers for free.
BTW, what is an INTRATE? Did you mean Intranet?
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February 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM #192772
Rob
ParticipantI Just got a little hook when a typical MAC user has one answer that Apple is the only way without giving any alternitives.
What are you talking about? I wasn’t at all saying that Apple is the only way to go. That idea wasn’t brought up at all.
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February 2, 2009 at 12:25 AM #192773
Anonymous
InactiveSorry If Im from Bama , An a Bad typo
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February 2, 2009 at 12:35 AM #192774
Anonymous
InactiveAll I did in my Oringal post was offer a suggested that was different from normal respond, Now Im getting Attacked.
You dont know me or my resume and Idont know you.
I was talking more of a professional angle. Not from a U-tuber video want to be maker.
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February 2, 2009 at 1:24 AM #192775
Anonymous
InactiveI assumed he was on a LAN when he said T3, or do you not know how bandwith is acually caculated
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February 2, 2009 at 1:47 AM #192776
jerronsmith
ParticipantRobo,
No one is attacking you, however your responses are becoming a bit defensive.This is a discussion forum, one person asks a question and then others offer opinions often contradictory ones. Your assertion that WMV was the best format for the problem is something that others disagree with. I am not sure how you associate disagreeing with you with being attacked.
>>or do you not know how bandwith is acually caculated<<
What would knowing that a T3 is a kind of connection have to do with understanding how bandwidth is calculated, since I don’t think anyone mentioned that at all. I believe that when the initial posting mentioned T3 he was talking about the type of connection that the people viewing the video would be on. How that translates into an assumption that WMV is the best format for this situation I am still not sure.
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