Comments on: Viral “I Gotta Feeling” Black Eyed Peas video and Ken Burns series are hot! http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2009/09/5701-viral-i-gotta-feeling-black-eyed-peas-video-and-ken-burns-series-are-hot/ The Videomaker blog covers the latest in tech news, video tips and techniques, DIY projects, stories from the field and a whole lot more. You can add us to your RSS feed for easy access to the newest video information, or leave a comment and join the discussion. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:51:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: VideoChick http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2009/09/5701-viral-i-gotta-feeling-black-eyed-peas-video-and-ken-burns-series-are-hot/comment-page-1/#comment-11768 VideoChick Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:43:41 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/?p=5701#comment-11768 oh, yeah.. THAT dance. The JK Wedding Entrance Dance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0 oh, yeah.. THAT dance. The JK Wedding Entrance Dance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0

]]> By: VideoChick http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2009/09/5701-viral-i-gotta-feeling-black-eyed-peas-video-and-ken-burns-series-are-hot/comment-page-1/#comment-11767 VideoChick Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:41:34 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/?p=5701#comment-11767 This is something we've been discussing, too. We shared a story awhile back about an 80s era song getting re-visited by thousands after a wedding bridal party danced to it while going down the aisle. The original band opted for it to stay as it was bringing them income. The same with a few original songs where the songwriter wasn't able to get a record deal, so posted on YouTube and the popularity of the number of hits caught some music producers eye and B-I-N-G-O... recording contract. The rules are becoming more and more gray, and nothing is absolute anymore. This is something we’ve been discussing, too. We shared a story awhile back about an 80s era song getting re-visited by thousands after a wedding bridal party danced to it while going down the aisle. The original band opted for it to stay as it was bringing them income. The same with a few original songs where the songwriter wasn’t able to get a record deal, so posted on YouTube and the popularity of the number of hits caught some music producers eye and B-I-N-G-O… recording contract. The rules are becoming more and more gray, and nothing is absolute anymore.

]]> By: Dylan Bennett http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2009/09/5701-viral-i-gotta-feeling-black-eyed-peas-video-and-ken-burns-series-are-hot/comment-page-1/#comment-11742 Dylan Bennett Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:12:30 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/?p=5701#comment-11742 Oddly enough, minutes after posting my comment, I came across this article from the Official Google Blog in my Google Reader: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/more-insight-into-claimed-content-on.html I have a feeling this is probably what's happening, since when you watch the video you linked in the article, you get ads for that Black Eyed Peas song to buy as a ringtone. My guess is the record label saw the video that the students did and opted for the "make money" Content ID option rather than the "block" option. That still throws things into the grey zone though. Do you make the video, post it to YouTube, hope it gets popular enough that the record label chooses the "make money" option instead of the "block"/sue option? While it's a nice option for YouTube to provide for people whose content is being used incorrectly, it unfortunately doesn't help the people using the content to know beforehand what will happen with their video. Oddly enough, minutes after posting my comment, I came across this article from the Official Google Blog in my Google Reader:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/more-insight-into-claimed-content-on.html

I have a feeling this is probably what’s happening, since when you watch the video you linked in the article, you get ads for that Black Eyed Peas song to buy as a ringtone. My guess is the record label saw the video that the students did and opted for the “make money” Content ID option rather than the “block” option.

That still throws things into the grey zone though. Do you make the video, post it to YouTube, hope it gets popular enough that the record label chooses the “make money” option instead of the “block”/sue option? While it’s a nice option for YouTube to provide for people whose content is being used incorrectly, it unfortunately doesn’t help the people using the content to know beforehand what will happen with their video.

]]> By: VideoChick http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2009/09/5701-viral-i-gotta-feeling-black-eyed-peas-video-and-ken-burns-series-are-hot/comment-page-1/#comment-11741 VideoChick Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:27:41 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/?p=5701#comment-11741 I certainly do agree with you, Dylan, I saw something recently about a 4 yr old rocking to "Juke Box Hero" and I thought it was cute but was surprised it hadn't been taken down. Our Art Director did a nice little vacation piece recently where she included 10-seconds of a popular 80s-era song and got a pull-down from YouTube for using it. Does YT do the monitoring? Or does BMI or ASCAP find these and demand the pulldown? At Videomaker, we advocate following the rules and our "What's Legal" column is quite popular, and it's mostly about Fair Use and Copyright. It's a confusing world. I certainly do agree with you, Dylan, I saw something recently about a 4 yr old rocking to “Juke Box Hero” and I thought it was cute but was surprised it hadn’t been taken down. Our Art Director did a nice little vacation piece recently where she included 10-seconds of a popular 80s-era song and got a pull-down from YouTube for using it. Does YT do the monitoring? Or does BMI or ASCAP find these and demand the pulldown? At Videomaker, we advocate following the rules and our “What’s Legal” column is quite popular, and it’s mostly about Fair Use and Copyright. It’s a confusing world.

]]> By: Dylan Bennett http://www.videomaker.com/community/videonews/2009/09/5701-viral-i-gotta-feeling-black-eyed-peas-video-and-ken-burns-series-are-hot/comment-page-1/#comment-11740 Dylan Bennett Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:49:13 +0000 http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/?p=5701#comment-11740 The Black Eyed Peas video the students created is one of those things that, as an audio/visual educator at a school, always throws me for a loop. I see it drilled into educators all over the place to respect copyright and I try to instruct my students to respect copyright as well. (Although I also make sure they are just as well educated in fair use.) But then I see this kind of video created, at a school no less, and it's touted all over as this "amazing video" and, "Wow, you should see this!" And nowhere do I see any mention of copyright problems? Did they get permission to use the song? Do they need permission? Am I missing something? Posting on YouTube is considered "global distribution" of your work, so the argument that they "just made it for friends" wouldn't hold up. You hear about some mom getting sued by the record labels because a song could be heard in the /background/ of a YouTube video of her toddler dancing/bouncing around the kitchen. Yet here is an entire music video created using an actual soundtrack from the original music and nobody is saying anything. It's very frustrating because there are many, many projects my student would /love/ to do and would be amazingly creative, but they would involve copyrighted music, so they aren't allowed. (Sure they could do it just for themselves, but posting their work on YouTube and so forth is the main reason they want to create the videos in the first place.) Maybe this is a topic for this blog to pick up? I just find it frustrating because while I /love/ seeing this kind of creative work, it's not something I can turn around and show my students because if they want to do something similar, they wouldn't be allowed due to abuse of copyright. The Black Eyed Peas video the students created is one of those things that, as an audio/visual educator at a school, always throws me for a loop. I see it drilled into educators all over the place to respect copyright and I try to instruct my students to respect copyright as well. (Although I also make sure they are just as well educated in fair use.)

But then I see this kind of video created, at a school no less, and it’s touted all over as this “amazing video” and, “Wow, you should see this!” And nowhere do I see any mention of copyright problems? Did they get permission to use the song? Do they need permission? Am I missing something? Posting on YouTube is considered “global distribution” of your work, so the argument that they “just made it for friends” wouldn’t hold up.

You hear about some mom getting sued by the record labels because a song could be heard in the /background/ of a YouTube video of her toddler dancing/bouncing around the kitchen. Yet here is an entire music video created using an actual soundtrack from the original music and nobody is saying anything.

It’s very frustrating because there are many, many projects my student would /love/ to do and would be amazingly creative, but they would involve copyrighted music, so they aren’t allowed. (Sure they could do it just for themselves, but posting their work on YouTube and so forth is the main reason they want to create the videos in the first place.)

Maybe this is a topic for this blog to pick up? I just find it frustrating because while I /love/ seeing this kind of creative work, it’s not something I can turn around and show my students because if they want to do something similar, they wouldn’t be allowed due to abuse of copyright.

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