Wedding Prints fom HD Video?

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  • Started 1 year ago by Weddingmaster
  • Latest reply from Proimages
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    1. Weddingmaster
      Member

       Well, as always I am trying to justify my purchases a few yeras out best as possible. I have been a wedding photographer for about 15 years and Video about 10 years. My thoughts are why cant we shoot video and pull frames from it to print out photos for the Bride & Groom? Are we not quite there yet resolution wize? I am gearing up for a sony nx5 vdeo cam and it would be nice to offer both as I am limited to two hands. Not to mention I also do DJ..Thats another whole subject.. :-)

      Harry

      Give the Bride What She Wants!
      Posted 1 year ago #
    2. oscario
      Member

       There are many ways to do that.

      1)  you can get a video converter.

      try this one: http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/guides/free-video-to-jpg-converter.htm

      2) You can buy a printer capable of running movie to still software

      try this one: http://www.canon.ca/inetCA/products?m=gp&pid=4574  It runs Full HD Movie Print software

      there are other ways as well but this seem to be the cheapest and the easiest

       

      Posted 1 year ago #
    3. Gregory Watts
      Post Production Host

      VLC-

      http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

      Will play back ANY video format. As the file is playing you can alter the play back speed (turn volume off unless you like the chipmunks or scary deep long voices) Anyway when you find the frame you want pause it and take a video snapshot. The menu at the top allows you to alter the setting of the snapshot etc. You also do not have to pause it, you can take snapshots on the fly, they will be in focus. The snaps of VLC are only as good as the video footage. Your footage bad you snap bad, you footage good you snap good. I have been using snaps of my footage for stills from VLC for years and no one is the wiser. In fact I have been asked how on Earth I got some of the shots. Never tell as the raven said. (I hate that story scars me). After you get your snaps pull them into a photo editor to fix anything you think needs fixing. I use Picasa if it is an easy fix because Picasa is fast and easy. but for the more complicated fixes I use Corel Paint Shop Pro.

      Gregory http://www.tasana-studios.com
      A Photo Captures but a Moment in Time:
      Video Captures a Lifetime in a Moment
      Posted 1 year ago #
    4. Weddingmaster
      Member

       I do have cs5 and I can pull frames from the timeline but they are only 720x480 and a nice 8x10 wedding print will need way more resolution than that..even for a photoshop master I dont think we are quite there yet...but someday.  Second issue..why is my HD video 1080 only 720 on the timeline? I need to look into this?

      Harry

      Posted 1 year ago #
    5. Proimages
      Member

      Print labs have a minimum resolution requirement.  Mpix.com is one that has a low min. of 100 PPI.

      That means a 1920x1080 could be printed 19" x 10"  A 720 x 480 can be printed 7" x 4"  Of course these are not standard sizes for print so a crop would be needed.

      Posted 1 year ago #
    6. signmax
      Member

       Hi,

      To justify your investment you must use the right technique:

      Either you shoot photo using your camcoder and set it to maximum quality in HD format you can reach 4860 x 3072 pixels or from the timeline extract a frame your quality drop to 1920 x 1080 dpi in HD. Now with any photo software check photo size and photo dpi your dpi can be 72, 96 or 120 dpi.

      A good print need 300 dpi (commercial printer) versus 100 to 150 dpi for a common inkjet printer.

      How to calculate the maximum size:

      Pixel size divided by 300 = maximum size for 4860 / 300 = 16 inches and 3072 / 300 = 10 inches if I use camcoder as a common digital camera I can generate a good print 16 x 10

      Same philosophy for the time line extracted picture:

      1920 x 1080       1920/300 = 6 inches   1080/300 = 3.6 inches this is the format 6 x 4 that means I can generate a good 6x 4 print

      How to generate quality if you start with something low in quality like a sixe 6 x 4 to blow up 16 x 10.

      Specialized software have algorithm to increase the size call (Interpolation) the hint is easy to understand you use the alogorithm to increase the size 4 times and use the algorith to decrease the size 2 times that means you obtain a picture twice bigger than the original.

      Where the quality come from?

      Software alogorithm create intermediate pixel between two adjacent pixel this avoid big pixel or big square. This like a small blur and reducing the size the blur dissappear.

      Naturally nothing can replace a high quality standard negative or a $10,000 digital camera, remember the old way the reason to use a camera over 35mm is 2-1/4 x2-1/4 or the 4x 5 camera sometime bigger.

      Regards,

      YR

       

       

       

       

      Posted 1 year ago #
    7. birdcat
      Moderator

      Actually, a good commercial printer is going to be way more than 300 DPI (The Epson R300 prints at up to 5760 x 1440 DPI).

      An HD capture is going to be, at best 1920 X 1080 - Roughly equivalent of a 2 megapixel photo, which should not be used for printing more than a 4" X 5" photo with any hopes of a decent product.

      Bruce Paul
      7Squared Productions
      http://www.7squared.com
      Posted 1 year ago #
    8. Proimages
      Member

      Respectfully, you Can print an 8"x10" from a 1920x1080 video and get good quality.  To prove this I just did it using Final Cut Pro and Lightroom3

      In FCP: File > Export > Quicktime Conversion > Format = Still Image, Options = TIFF

      TIFF is an important step, this is the largest file format available in FCP, jpeg will result in a smaller file

      hit the second Options button, Options = Millions of colors, Compression = None

      The Result was a .TIFF file 1920 x 1080 and the size was 8.3MB

      I imported this into Lightroom3, applied noise reduction, sharpening and clarity.

      I printed it on my Epson Pro 3800 on 8x10 paper.

      I'll agree that it's not the quality of my Nikon D3s, but it's was acceptable to my wife, she wants to keep it.

      Here's the print

      Posted 1 year ago #
    9. Proimages
      Member

      I should add that the noise reduction and sharpening in Lightroom3 were important steps.  The image looked a little pixelated before that. 

      Posted 1 year ago #
    10. Proimages
      Member

      This is pushing the limit but he's an 11' x 14" print from the Epson 3800.

      The video camera is a Sony HDR-CX520V.  I'd be interested to one from a professional video camera with a much better lens.

      Posted 1 year ago #
    11. vid-e-o-man
      Member

      The technical issues aside, I wonder how hard it would be to convince a bride that you can produce great still images while videoing her biggest day. I would say that almost all brides want great phots of the wedding but not every bride is interested in video. Perhaps the direction to go would be to offer the video as an add-on to your shooting stills of the wedding. Your actual procedure of shooting video and extracting stills would be the same but your marketing would stress the still photo aspect, IMHO.

      Posted 1 year ago #
    12. birdcat
      Moderator

      You can print whatever you want - It all depends on what your standards are quality wise and how much time you are willing to put into making something better.

      I have shot digital since 1995 (@ 320 X 240 then, up to 10 MPx which is what I shoot now).  I have also shot film (since 1960) on 126, 127, 110, 35mm & 4X5 (I still love film and miss my old Crown Graphic). 

      I have printed photos of a lesser resolution than they should have been - I wanted that 4X6, 5X7 or 8X10 even though I knew they would be less than optimal, because I only had a low res file and wanted the photo anyway.

      One trick to making a smaller resolution file print better is also to gradually grow it in your photo editing software - Instead of doubling the image resolution, try bumping it up 5-10% at a time using multiple steps - This makes it easier for your program to interpolate what needs to be created and gives you an overall better image than one done in one fell swoop.

      If you're happy with 8X10's from 2MPx files, great - I would not deliver a wedding album built from them.

      Posted 1 year ago #
    13. Proimages
      Member

       You're right.  These are not anywhere near wedding album quality and I would not try to seel them.

      Posted 1 year ago #

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