To Build or not to Build....

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    1.  yourvideographer

      You could get as many different answers had you asked what is the best car to buy. Everyone has their favorite (Mac/PC as example). Off the lot or custom built is another. You have to know what you want to do with it. Do you want to get across the country in the shortest amount of time or handle the offroad terrain of a cross desert trek. Many of them will pretty much do a good job of getting you from point A to point B, it all depends on how you want to get there.

      You have stated that you have done some editing. What system(s) was/were this on? That might give you a starting point for what to look for.

      Knowing what software you are going to use can set the level of what computer you are going to need. Something to pay attention to is the system requirements of your software. Do not short change yourself by looking at the minimum requirements. Following the Recommended requirements, or higher, will give you a much better experience with your software. Look at the plugins and accessories that are available. Those may have additional requirements as well. As far as best computer? Best is a relative and very short-lived term as witnessed by all the different versions/revisions of software out there, and the constant improvements to CPUs and such required, something else to keep in mind as well.

      Take a look at the reviews at http://www.videomaker.com/learn/introduction/computers/ These will give you some ideas of what is available.

      You can also look up desktops and laptops here http://www.consumersearch.com/computers-and-internet and see how they compare.

      Life is not a guided tour nor a destination.
      It is a journey. Take the time to enjoy your family, friends and surroundings.
      Build memories. Share experiences. Travel at sight speed not light speed. (C)
      Posted 2 years ago #
    2. composite1
      Moderator

      Chad,

      Ah a long time ago, I was like you (creative side dominant.) Now I need a minute to figure out which side is which! No worries, I speak 'non-techese'.

      Okay, you sound like a serious 'pre-built' kind of guy a little bit 'macie' and a little bit 'pcie' (I promise no music will start up.) Pre-builts are an obvious choice. Since you say you have no head for the technical side (I advise you grow one as time goes on, it will save you money and aggravation) stick with the name brands like HP, Dell and of course Mac. For those of you unfortunate types who are technology challenged but creatively endowed, I thoroughly recommend a 'Turnkey System'.

      Turnkey Systems are nle's that are built specifically for a particular editing program. These are workstations (serious tools) designed for editing, graphics and mographic work. You'll have to decide what program you want to use and what platform you want to work in (i.e. pc or mac.) Then, you contact a company that makes turnkey systems, tell them what you want and then pay them. They send you a pre-built nle that all you should have to do is pull it out of the box, hook up your monitors and junk and get started editing. The main drawback about turnkey's are; price, they usually don't come with monitors included (unless you buy a one-piece which I don't recommend for serious editing) and any extra's (ram, harddrives, etc.) will cost more than if you bought them yourself. Also, doing in-house upgrades will most likely void your warranty and if anything goes wrong you have to ship it back to the company you bought it for repair thus increasing your down time. However, there is a certain amount of security with a pre-built from a reputable firm as they may have more intensive tech support. But the bigger they are, the more likely you'll be calling to India for tech support and talking to a very nice person who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.

      Here's some links for turnkeys:

      Promax - You'll want to look in the 'Browse Solutions Window' and start with 'The Startup'. They have solutions in both Mac and PC

      http://www.promax.com/

      B&H Photovideo - This link will take you directly to the turnkey page. They too have solutions in both PC and Mac

      http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/category/13533/turnkey-systems.html

      There are many other places that sell turnkeys but these two are the most reliable. Don't be surprised at how much these things cost. Just remember, they come with the software installed.

      BTW, Vegas is a professional nle. If you've ever watched Discovery's 'Survivorman' since late 2006, all the episodes are cut on Sony Vegas. Oh, and they switched from FCP and mac to do it. That weirdness you mentioned with Matrox is one of the reasons I stopped using dedicated cards like that. Matrox was alway a little 'squirrelly' for my taste. Norman swears by the RTX, but I'm leaning toward Blackmagic Design's line of products. Another thing you seriously want to consider; which nle will allow you to work with the most amount of other editors if the need arises? Avid and Adobe are the kingfish when it comes to crossplatform collaboration. And, if you're running a pc and have premeire you can pitch out an EDL to someone using FCP without a lot of hassle. Alot of editors use FCP, but they're all mac, if you have the chance to do a bigger company's field edit and they use PC getting that EDL out to them may be dicey. Are you going to not take the gig because they use pc? If you're crossplatform, life's a lot easier. In fairness to 'isolated platformers' like FCP and Vegas, the good news is you should be able to export out scene clips in whatever flavor the other company uses. It's more work, but it can be done.

      Take a look at some of the stuff on those links and if you have more questions, just ask.

      H.Wolfgang Porter, Composite Media Producer
      Dreaded Enterprises Unlimited, Inc.
      http://www.dreadedenterprises.com
      Posted 2 years ago #
    3. NormanWillis
      Member

      Dear Chad,

      I got started on this thread because I ended up hijacking someone else's thread without meaning to, and Composite1 helped me out by starting a new thread for me.  I thought I would pass along the favor.

      I started a new thread for you, "Recommendations for best NLE and system <$5,000.00", and I put in my two cents there.

      I hope that is helpful.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    4. NormanWillis
      Member

      Oh, wow.  I see there are already two other answers since I created a new thread.

      I hope the new thread will help.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    5. NormanWillis
      Member

       Hi Chad.

      Comp wrote:

      >>However, there is a certain amount of security with a pre-built from a reputable firm as they may have more intensive tech support. But the bigger they are, the more likely you'll be calling to India for tech support and talking to a very nice person who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.

      In my other post, I wrote that I would happily use Dell Gold Tech Support again.  Dell Gold is North American tech support.  Ninety percent of them know more than I do (which is not saying all that much).  However, Dell Home and Home Office tech support is not good.  They are overseas (mostly India), and while three years ago they knew more than I did, now I know more than ninety percent of them (no joke).

      I hope this helps.

      Norman

       

      Posted 2 years ago #
    6. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      >>That weirdness you mentioned with Matrox is one of the reasons I stopped using dedicated cards like that. Matrox was alway a little 'squirrelly' for my taste. Norman swears by the RTX, but I'm leaning toward Blackmagic Design's line of products.

      Well, the only reason I keep talking about the Matrox RT.X2 is that it is the only product I see advertised as accelerating multiple layers of HD and HD effects real time in Premiere.  I have looked and looked and looked, but while I see the BlackMagic Design Multibridge billed as 'working with' Avid and Premiere, and while it lists several 'real time effects' that can be applied to the timelines, I have yet to see any claim from BMD (or any reseller) that says it accelerates rendering of either Avid or Premiere.  If I missed something, please let me know, but I do not understand how the Multibridge can accelerate Avid and Premiere for 1/14th of the cost of a Nitris, or else why would anyone buy a Nitris?  Add to that the fact that the Nitris is way costy, and the Matrox is not.  So until I can work my way up to Avid MC3 (probably a couple of years from now) and until I can afford a Nitris (who knows when), I will probably continue to be interested in the Matrox RT.X2.  But maybe not?  Time will tell.

      I know you also work lots of hours, as do I, so I will take all of the time savings I can get.  If I could find any claim in writing from BMD that the Multibridge will accelerate both Premiere and Avid, I would probably stop being so interested in the Matrox, and become more interested in the BMD Multibridge.

      As you also stated before, Sony works on the number of cores, and as the GHz wars continue to become the Core Wars, I imagine Sony will benefit greatly.  Oh, and by the way, did you see that Sony just advertised Vegas Pro 9, and a new 'Production Assistant' package for Vegas Pro that was created by VASST?

      http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegasproassist

      Eventually I hope to learn all three NLE's; but since I am kind of pokey in the new-learning-curves department, that may take me some time....

      I hope your shoot went well.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    7. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      I checked with B&H.  They said that the Multibridge does not do any acceleration at all.  They said it is only an input/output device with some added effects.

      On my box, it looks like I am going to add a 92mm fan to the back of the case to suck air out; and then I am also going to have to cut two small holes in the bottom-right-hand side of the case cover (below the GTX 260), and add two 40mm fans to suck hot air out.

      How did your shoot go?

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    8. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      Shoot went well despite getting rained on.

      I still haven't gotten any word back from BMD so I'll take your word on the Multibridge until proven otherwise. Sounds like a plan on the fan, but I'd check with Dell about what will void your warranty before doing any cutting.

      Concerning the RTX2 here's some reviews to help you with your decision:

      http://www.stevengotz.com/rtx2.htm

      http://digitalcontentproducer.com/hdhdv/depth/matrox_rtx2_081307/

      http://www.studiodaily.com/studiomonthly/reviews/f/vfx/REVIEW-Matrox-RT-X2_7899.html

      As for why someone would buy avid over matrox again falls into how high the level of uncompressed format you need. The RTX tops out at HDV whereas the Mojo supports XDCAM, Canon 24f HDV, Sony progressive HDV, Panasonic P2 cards and has support for ProTools hardware. So if you're working in a serious pro environment, it's nothing to do a hardcore offline edit and then hand it off to a hardercore stand alone finishing workstation or full-on online finishing array when you're working with a product so heavilly supported. In that case, it's worth the extra money.

      I do have a better opinion of the RTX now, however, I built my latest system with the multibridge in mind and will need the pro connections provided. Also, I wouldn't be limited to HDV. I like the idea of being able to capture via HDMI to get the cleanest and least compressed signal possible for the money. However, I do believe the RTX2 is a viable option on the cheap.

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    9. composite1
      Moderator

      I took a look at the votes and so far nobody has given using pre-built systems only the nod. That's curious. Anyone want to elaborate?

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    10. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      Thank you for the links.  I will try to check them out later on tonight.

      >>I took a look at the votes and so far nobody has given using pre-built systems only the nod. That's curious. Anyone want to elaborate?

      Well, when I went to vote I only saw two choices/options, one for custom builds, and one for modifying prebuilts.  Are you sure that a third option shows up on other people's screens?

      However, as for my vote, in mulling over Avid more and more, it hits me that Avid only supports certain Dells, HP's and Macs, or else they won't take you seriously.  So when it comes time to learn Avid, I will probably get a pre-built job, as I do not want to be without support, either hardware/software, or NLE.  I am sure that comes at a premium, but in my mind the extra support seems worth it.

      >>The RTX tops out at HDV whereas the Mojo supports XDCAM, Canon 24f HDV, Sony progressive HDV, Panasonic P2 cards and has support for ProTools hardware.

      !!!

      Wow, good points!  OK, I did not know that.  So my present camera is HDV 1080i, but when they raise the standards to 2K in 2015 I will probably end up looking at a newer/different camera with flash-memory-based file recording.  That sounds like a good reason to migrate to Mojo or Nitris at that time (assuming I have the funds).

      >>Sounds like a plan on the fan, but I'd check with Dell about what will void your warranty before doing any cutting.

      I've just been astonished how Dell Gold Technical Support seems to support me in almost whatever I do.  I can swap the OS, swap parts, add parts, and they still talk with me, and help me out (this is not at all true with Home and Home Office, which seems like it looks for almost any excuse not to help). 

      I found a used side door for my T3400 on Ebay for about $25.00 including shipping, so I will probably just pick that up, and then there are no worries.

      Got to run, but I hope to look at those links later on tonight.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    11. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      "...when I went to vote I only saw two choices/options, one for custom
      builds, and one for modifying prebuilts.  Are you sure that a third
      option shows up on other people's screens?"

      Yep, there are three voting choices;

      Pre-built Systems, In-House built and Combination of both.

      "I've just been astonished how Dell Gold Technical Support seems to support me in almost whatever I do."

      Well since you paid for one of their higher(est) ends of support I'm not surprised their willingness to help. I am surprised that they are willing to honor the warranty with you making some drastic physical mods to the system.

      Concerning 'migrating to avid', if you plan on staying in this biz and pushing to do ever larger projects with increased production values no matter what platform you use, you'll end up using one of the major setups. The fact that the larger production houses all use avid, fcp, media 100 or grass valley if you want to collaborate with them, you'll need something they work with. Despite FCP's popularity, Avid is cross-platform and long as your project is based in avid you can work in avid. But, in the meantime the goal is to make or buy an nle setup that will give you production values beyond what would be expected outside of the medium to large scale production house budget. One thing about it, Avid doesn't say that MC and it's various breakout boxes won't work with uncertified gear, they just aren't planning on supporting it.

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    12. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      Great articles.

      >>I am surprised that they are willing to honor the warranty with you making some drastic physical mods to the system.

      Yeah, I am surprised by that also.  But they always seem to do it.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    13. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      Just so you know, concerning avid despite it's leading industry position and powerful software/hardware solutions the one thing I give all its competitors over it is; you don't have to use a @@#$%#^&!!! stupid dongle to use them! Used to be if you lost your dongle, you could get a replacement for $150 bucks (for a plastic USB !@@#$%$#@!!** dongle!) Now, if you heaven forbid damage or lose your dongle, you have to buy a whole new copy of the software!!!!!!!!!!!) That has always been Avid's Achille's heel for me. As a business person I wholeheartedly understand the need to protect intellectual property. But there's protection and then there's straight up blackmail, extortion and robbery.

      Posted 2 years ago #
    14. NormanWillis
      Member

       >>Just so you know, concerning avid despite it's leading industry position and powerful software/hardware solutions the one thing I give all its competitors over it is; you don't have to use a @@#$%#^&!!! stupid dongle to use them! Used to be if you lost your dongle, you could get a replacement for $150 bucks (for a plastic USB !@@#$%$#@!!** dongle!) Now, if you heaven forbid damage or lose your dongle, you have to buy a whole new copy of the software!!!!!!!!!!!) That has always been Avid's Achille's heel for me. As a business person I wholeheartedly understand the need to protect intellectual property. But there's protection and then there's straight up blackmail, extortion and robbery.

      A few years ago I had a copy of ProTools LE, which I returned to them for that exact reason.  While I understand their position, I found the whole thing altogether insulting.  And not only that, but the dongle was so big it blocked four of my USB ports.  Not only insulting, but not usable as well.

      However, what you say with Avid being perhaps twice as efficient, I think I need to go there, when the time comes.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    15. yourvideographer
      Member

      Thank you Crafters of Light, Composite 1 and Norman Willis for all of this good information!  I will look at all the websites and info you guys have given me.  Sorry Norman, I didn't mean to hijack the thread for a second, but thank you for starting up that other thread.  Well to give you guys an update, I purchased Vegas Pro 8 for a very low price.  I know 9 is coming out in a couple of weeks, but I couldn't pass this deal up for Vegas Pro 8, so I went for the plunge.  I am now looking for a computer for Vegas Pro 8.  I started this thread:

      http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/i-need-help-looking-for-a-computer-to-run-vegas-pro-8

      If you want to check out the thread and want to give any suggestions, please do so.  I will appreciate it.

      I was reading the rest of the thread and was surprized about Avid.  What is a dongle for Avid? That does sound like straight up blackmail, extortion and robbery, if you have to buy a new copy of software and blocks four of your USB Ports. 

       

      Thank you,

      Chad

      Posted 2 years ago #
    16. NormanWillis
      Member

      NP.  (not a problem).

      I responded to your other thread.  It is good to see you checking things out first, before you take the plunge.  Getting started with Vegas 8 is not a bad idea at all.  Then you can wait for the Vegas 9.0b version (so they work all the bugs out) before you cut over.  That way you will have less down time.

      The best advice I can give you is to read what the other posters say, consider how much experience they have (most of them will have more than me), and even if you are not a believer, pray.  Then sleep on it before making your purchasing decision.  When it seems right, go for it.  No decision we ever make is perfect, but so long as we stay in prayer, usually it all work out.

      Best of success.

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    17. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      I knew the Avid Dongle takes up one slot, but didn't know the Pro Tools dongle blocked 4? If true that's pretty lame for so powerful a program.

      Chad,

      I'm glad to have been of some small assistance to you. Just remember when you start editing with Vegas to render your segments with effects once you've got them completed. Vegas is deceptive in that it will allow you to scrub through the video with no prob, but won't let you do a preview burn to tape or anything else without rendering. Unless you have a lot of elaborate effects and a slow system, knocking out the segments as you go will save you from hideously long render times. Oh yeah, and the titler is goofy. Just doing straight titles and using keyframes to do motion effects was a lot less headache than trying to figure out how to work the controls in the titler. Maybe you'll have better luck. Down the road, you'll want to add Sound Forge, Cinescore and maybe Acid for sound post and music scoring. I agree with Norman on 9.0. Build your chops on 8 first and by then they'll have the bugs worked out of 9.

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    18. NormanWillis
      Member

      Comp,

      >>I knew the Avid Dongle takes up one slot, but didn't know the Pro Tools dongle blocked 4? If true that's pretty lame for so powerful a program.

      I might be recalling that wrong.  It might have only taken up two slots (because it is so thick), and then 'cramped' the other two slots that sat right next to it (again because it was so thick).  Then when it kept crashing my system I sent it back, without really even trying to troubleshoot it (because I was already hacked off).

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    19. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      Understandable. As I said previously, I thoroughly understand the need to protect intellectual property. But you're not going to stop people from coming up with 'workarounds'. Though I've alway kept a legal copy of Avid software on at least one system, I've always had back up software like Vegas and Premiere on hand in case something happened to the avid dongle. I don't like the idea that a whole production could be crippled by the loss of a @##$%!%%^&!!! piece of plastic with a little code on it.

      BTW, that was some good advice you gave chad on the other thread.

      Posted 2 years ago #
    20. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      So long as we are looking at accelerator cards, what is the deal with Edius?

      Thank you,

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    21. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      Nada clue. I'm somewhat familiar with them but not enough to make it worth commenting.

      In the meantime, since we haven't discussed pre-built systems much I wanted to show you HP's latest high-end NLE. The Z800 has eight core xeons, 192GB RAM (that's right 1-9-2!) is 64-bit (winxp pro though you probably can get it with Vista Biz) and can use SAS, SATA or Solid State Harddrives. The solid state drives are small 64GB and pricey ($1k each), but can do read/write speeds of 500+ mbps!. They've got an airflow cooling setup that looks like something you'd see under the hood of a lamborgini and for an additional $300 they'll ditch the air cooling system for a watercooled one. I don't remember what the GPU in it was but without the extras the Z800 goes for $10k. That my friend is a serious finishing computer! It seems mandatory that you'd put MC on it. It would be nice to see a comparison between that and mac's latest rig in the same weight-class. 192GB?!?!?!?!?!?

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    22. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      >>I don't remember what the GPU in it was but without the extras the Z800 goes for $10k.

      It sounds like a very (very) nice machine.

      However, with your wholesale discounts, how much would it cost you to make a machine identical to the one you just described?

      And how difficult is it to get set up for wholesale prices?

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    23. composite1
      Moderator

      "... with your wholesale discounts, how much would it cost you to make a machine identical to the one you just described?

      And how difficult is it to get set up for wholesale prices?"

      Norman,

      Good question. I'd hate to check because I'm still working to get the new machine to pay for itself (though I am growing curious by the second.) I got listed as a dealer mainly because my co' was buying so many components a wholesale outfit noticed it and offered a professional listing with their company.

      In the meantime, check your messages for a look at the Z800.

       

      Posted 2 years ago #
    24. NormanWillis
      Member

      >>In the meantime, check your messages for a look at the Z800.

      Wow.  That's one impressive machine.  And it looks for $10,000.00 they do what the Mac charges $25,000.00 for.

      And it has cowling on the inside, to improve air cooling????  And it also has cable-less trays????

      Wow.  I'd sure love to have one of those!

      Norman

      Posted 2 years ago #
    25. NormanWillis
      Member

      Hi Comp.

      I was watching the Class On Demand video on Vegas.  The instructor (Douglas Spotted Eagle) strongly advises learning all one can about compressing the narration audio within the project.

      I am looking to do essentially training/documentary films.  My camera is an HDR-FX1 (with the standard noisy pre-amps), so I bought a juicedLInk CX-231 to bypass them, and quiet them down.  Microphone is a DPA-4088B headset going through a Shure wireless transceiver (or I could patch straight to a mixer, if I want.  I also have a PreSonus Comp-16 Compressor/Limiter, but in the video DSE was saying how you can compress audio right within Vegas itself.

      The goal is the highest quality audio possible.  Would you recommend compressing the audio before it gets to the camera:

      DPA-4088 >> Shure >> Comp-16 >> juicedLink CX231 >> HDR-FX1

      or would you leave the compressor out, and then do all of your compressing in Vegas?

      DPA-4088 >> Shure >> juicedLink CX231 >> HDR-FX1

      Thank you,

      Norman

       

      Posted 2 years ago #
    26. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      I try to keep video and audio as separate as possible during production. I'm sure compressing audio in the field has its uses, but you never know what you'll use raw footage or audio for. I've found it works out better in the long run to have everything uncompressed in raw form as you can 'work the magic' on it later in post if need be. So yeah, I wouldn't do in-field compression unless a client specifically asked for it. Even then, I would record uncompressed secondary audio just to be safe.

      Now, Spotted Eagle is one sharp cookie. I've attended several of his lectures and the man is definitely worth listening to. 

      Posted 2 years ago #
    27. NormanWillis
      Member

      >>I try to keep video and audio as separate as possible during production. I'm sure compressing audio in the field has its uses, but you never know what you'll use raw footage or audio for. I've found it works out better in the long run to have everything uncompressed in raw form as you can 'work the magic' on it later in post if need be. So yeah, I wouldn't do in-field compression unless a client specifically asked for it. Even then, I would record uncompressed secondary audio just to be safe.

      I called Robert of JuicedLink.com, and he said the same thing: record the audio raw, and then tweak it in post...so since you both agree, I guess that's it.

      Norman

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    28. composite1
      Moderator

      Norman,

      Here's the answer to the questions you brought up about the Multibridge Pro/Eclipse from the BMD design engineers;

      "Avid software traditionally has never supported
      any 3rd party hardware whatsoever. So with that we are not supported by
      <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1241479553_0">Media Composer</span>. Possibly you could capture a file with our Multibridge and
      then bring it to Composer, but we are not directly accessible by Composer.

      Extremely BETA support for 8.0c, in fact that hasn't been updated in an
      extremely long time. Development has come to a standstill so I wouldn't
      expect to see anything coming out in that regards any time soon.

      We don't do any additional rendering or acceleration via software or
      hardware. We support the RT effects of Premiere meaning, we support their
      native RT effects and do not override them as how some manufacturers used to
      in the past."

      So no it doesn't support avid as we both suspected (too bad.) But he was wrong in that Avid DV Express pro 3.5 supported the PYRODV PCI firewire card and firewire PCMCIA adapter. So they were 'friendly' at least once. As for acceleration, that's a negatory. Whereas the RTX2 does hardware acceleration but is limited to HDV and only has basic inputs (RCA, Firewire) the MBP2 does no acceleration but can facilitate the capture and output of formats from SDI to 2k and has a number of professional input/outputs like BNC, HDMI, XLR in addition to standard connections like firewire and RCA. So, it really depends on what you want to do and how you want to output it.

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    29. NormanWillis
      Member

      >>So no it doesn't support avid as we both suspected (too bad.) But he was wrong in that Avid DV Express pro 3.5 supported the PYRODV PCI firewire card and firewire PCMCIA adapter. So they were 'friendly' at least once. As for acceleration, that's a negatory. Whereas the RTX2 does hardware acceleration but is limited to HDV and only has basic inputs (RCA, Firewire) the MBP2 does no acceleration but can facilitate the capture and output of formats from SDI to 2k and has a number of professional input/outputs like BNC, HDMI, XLR in addition to standard connections like firewire and RCA. So, it really depends on what you want to do and how you want to output it.

      Yeah, good points.

      My camera is HDV, and I am going to have to try to wind this camera out for some time, because it is what I have (and I cannot afford to get anything else right now).

      But what is the deal with 1080i?  Why is it difficult to work with?  And are there any things I need to know about Vegas, that will help it work with it?

      Thank you,

      Norman

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    30. composite1
      Moderator

      "But what is the deal with 1080i?  Why is it difficult to work with? 
      And are there any things I need to know about Vegas, that will help it
      work with it?"

      Norman,

      The diff between 1080i and 1080p is the 'i' and 'p'. The 'i' stands for Interlaced which is the traditional mode of showing a television signal by using alternating scan lines to create 'fields'. 2 alternating fields make one frame. The 'p' in Progressive scanned video means that the scan lines are drawn in a single sequence not alternating fields. The progressive scan method gives you much higher resolutions than interlaced video. The drawback is progressive scan video is more data intensive thus requiring more storage space on an nle or online editing network.

      It's not that 1080i is 'difficult to work with', interlaced video has been around for a long time so the tech is already on hand. But, now that the CRT style of television has its spot next to the Smilodon in the 'tar pit' you can see the scan lines on LCD and Plasma screens now taking over the market. Progressive scanned video is perfect for LCD and plasma screens used to watch DVD, Blu-ray and online video. To 'clean up' the scan lines in interlaced video you have to 'deinterlace' your raw footage / final product. Deinterlacing will deemphasize those pesky scanlines, but at a loss of resolution.

      Vegas has the capability to deinterlace video. You just have to select deinterlacing when you set your new project settings. As is, your camera format at 1080i is fine for now. Just know that within the next 2-3 years 1080p will render it obsolete.

      Posted 2 years ago #

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