1. Does filming in PAL, vs. NTSC make that much of difference in attaining the infamous, "film look". ( I will probably be shunned for even usingt those two words in the same sentence. ) Sure i understand that 25 fps is closer to 24fps than the NTSC's 30 fps, but those are numbers on paper, and I think we all know how well (or poorly) numbers on paper reflect actuality.
I realize that equipment does not make a great product, its the person behind the camera, and their talent (or lack there-of). Believe me, I've been playing music for over 13 years. There is nothing quite like the person with the $3500 gem of a guitar, that thinks a $3500 Les Paul is going to make up for a lack of talent. But in the same breath why shoot yourself in the foot to prove a point.
2. Has anyone used the Magic Bullet Suite for After Effects? If so, what was your configuration and what were the results?
I realize that equipment does not make a great product, its the person behind the camera, and their talent (or lack there-of). Believe me, I've been playing music for over 13 years. There is nothing quite like the person with the $3500 gem of a guitar, that thinks a $3500 Les Paul is going to make up for a lack of talent. But in the same breath why shoot yourself in the foot to prove a point.
2. Has anyone used the Magic Bullet Suite for After Effects? If so, what was your configuration and what were the results?
the PAL standard is the no
Which brings me to the second part: I have never used Magic Bullet in After Effects, but I do use it in in Sony Vegas, what do you mean configuration?
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Thanks for your reply! As
As far as configuration, I just meant, what type of Editing suite are you using it with? What type of camera(s).
Are you pleased with Magic Bullet?
As far as camera's go, I was looking at the Panasonic series both were 3CCD units, one happened to be PAL format, the other NTSC.....
Ive checked out the Canon, and its sweet.....oh yesss. It is sweet. But out of my price range at this time.
With a good NLE honestly P
The Demo will alternate between the RAW image and the 3 Magic Bullet filters (1.31MB):
http://www.tyndanproductions.com/offtopic/MBDemo.wmv
The first filter is called "Basic" is just does some color correction and image enhancment. I run everything I film for my movies through this.
The second filter is "Night" It makes the image look like is was shot at night, kinda it cannot do anything with and fires etc in the shot. so this effect is simulating Moonlight.
The Third is called Warm, it makes it look like it was shot on a nice sunny day, this filter is used all the time to stimulate happyness in viewers, just as another filter called Cold stimulated opposite emotions.
I have to say that although Magic Bullet is good they do not offer sutome controls and you will find you will not use many of the filter, but with the Basic, Warm, Cold, and Night, you can instantly make anything you shoot look good. And although these shots are still images, motion video looks just as good.
I use Vegas 6. and right now I am using a Canon Optura Xi until I can afford a XL2.
Right on...thanks for your
Where do you plan on showi
If you want your project to be shown on a bigscreen some day and will eventually convert up to 35mm PAL usually works out better because it's a progressive scan format, which means for every frame you get one complete image. You also only need to take out one frame of footage compared to six frames of footage in NTSC. The one problem with PAL however is long projects often have problems with audio syncing. Removing 1 frame doesn't cause a problem in one minute clips, but after an hour it becomes noticable.
NTSC is the format to use if you expect your planning on selling your idea to television networks, or if you plan on making it into a video distribution deal.
Thomas has the best idea though. Try to find a camera that does both and is able to be customized. 24fps progressive scan isn't NTSC or PAL, but compression programs are getting better every day and you can always convert your project into something else when you are done.
I only discovered this for
The PAL v NTSC thread has some useful comment, but the actual point and background are a bit confused. NTSC has nothing whatsoever to do with the 'film look'. PAL/NTSC are simply the colour systems that were developed on both side of the Atlantic - in America, mains electricity is 110V 60 Hz and over here in the UK where I live, and in western europe we have 230V 50 Hz. In the early days of television, the number of frames per second was derived from the mains, so Americans went to 30 (well, 29.9ish to be exact) and we all went to 25. Film projection in cinemas stayed with 24fps everywhere.
When colour TV sprung up, rather daftly, we Brits went with one system and you Americans went with another. The system of transmitting colour was very different. From the UK perspective an NTSC signal had too many frames per second, and had very different colour information. It was possible, back in the seventies to convert with a very expensive gadget, that converted the colour info, and then threw away a few frames making it nearly the same as our system. This didn't do quality any favours! When you converted our stuff into yours, you simply duplicated a few frames each second to make it match. Again small problems, but apart from a little jitter from time to time on fast moving content it was ok.
Move on a few years and the TV manufacturers decided to design circuits in each tv and vcr that could switch between the systems. They rarely told people, but in most cases a PAL tape would play ok on an NTSC TV, and vice versa. Never quite looked as it should, but most people were happy.
It has got a lot better with digital video cameras - The main differences now are just slight differences in the size of the frame 720 x 576 for PAL and 720 x 480 for NTSC - this is a pain, as it means that swapping from one to the other means cropping or stretching has to happen - not too obvious unless the content has a picture of planet earth, or a clock.
Playback of NTSC or PAL DV material isn't cut and dried. I've shot on NTSC and loaded it into my PAL system and edited it - works ok, but I've tried the tapes on some other machines and the results have not been quite so straight forward.
Now onto the bit about 24 frame shooting. It has very little to do with PAL or NTSC, it's just a new way of shooting material that has some of the qualities of film - including some of the defects too!
You need a very different technique to record images on 24f - your wobbly, fast panned stuff isn't any good - the image goes really soft and stuttery - we've been used to being able to shoot all sorts of ways, many quite uncontrolled, but giving decent images. With 24f you need to develop film techniques, good quality pan and tilt heads, good focus and framing skills and being blunt, a professional style of shooting. The 'film look' so often talked about is a combination of the technical setup in the camera and practical skills. 24f technique is just a 'new' format, the colour system is a part of the past, and only now matters in the processing of the signal - something we can do really well nowadays.
There is tons of data available about all the different types of HD systems and much of it doesn't make much sense to beginners (or to be honest to many pros like me) The best advice I'm following at the moment is to hang on. A friend has recommended 3 different HD systems so far this year - each one described as the proverbial dogs bo**ocks.
My advice to anybody considering buying a new camera now is to try them out against each other - you do need to try 24f in all it's variants to see if the results are what you want. 24 frame progressive can give truly excellent results, but does need a lot more care in framing, focus, colour balance and movement. Whatever you do, buying an NTSC camcorder when you live in the uk is bad, as is buying a PAL version if you are in the states.
sorry for a long winded first post - but your forum does look interesting
paul
Well thanks for you input
I know the most straight foward solution to this would be filming with a unit that is capable of 24p. I am sure in the future that will be a possibility. I am simply going to learn how to do things without all the bells and whistles.
The most straightforward s
I know that Canon's XL2 does a 24p shooting mode, that I think it converts to NTSC 30fps on the fly, so you don;t have the audio syncing problem. But do not quote me on that. I am doing filmmaking myself, and when I have amassed the money I am buying an XL2 as far as I have been able to research it is the best camera you can get for Digital filmmaking purposes. check out this video here it talk about the XL2 and the 24p shooting mode. It also has some great examples. The best part is that this feature tour was not created or even licensed to be created by Canon. it was done by dvcreators.net on their own, but Canon latched on the the video shortly after its release. Anyway, check it out, and you will become a believer...
http://dvcreators.net/media/demos/xl2featuretour/xl2featuretour.html
Ya, the 35 mm would do the
Anyway....I am a guy, going straight to film would be like pulling over and asking for directions when I am lost.....sure its the most logical thing to do, but completely out of the question.
Heh, don;t really got o fi
Just out of curiousity what camera were you looking at?
The one suggestion I will make straight off the bat is that in order to really work with your video like it is film, take the time to convert it to the correct "format".
This means the following. Any mini DV is going to produce a DV formatted video which is 720x480, and ussually interlaced. But with any good NLE you can convert video to a god format which would be as follows (for widescreen which is necessary for the film look): 24 progrssive scan, 854X480 (yeah change the resolution to full resolution instead of the standard anamorphic) and make sure you leave it uncomporessed.
This will take up a lot of hardrive space, but you should they be able to work with the best possible film format. and it makes visual effect a whole lot easier. I have close to a terrabyte of space on my computer and I am building a file server to house another 1.6 terrabytes.