How should I save original video? « Videomaker Community Forums

nobody
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I have several VHS tapes that I am going to import via my Sony TRV-950 and I also have several DV tapes that I have already captured into avi files via Firewire on my harddrive. I have started to edit these large avi video files with Vegas to create DVDs but I don't want to get rid of the orginal quality of video in chase I want to make changes in the future (such as adding more video to a segment). What is the best way to store the origianl video where it won't be degraded? I am concerned that if I keep it on DV tapes it will degrade over time and I would also like to reuse these tapes. Should I save the hundreds of GBs of avi files to data DVDs?

Thanks for the advise.

Posted 7 years ago #
nobody
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Keep the original master tapes. If the master is VHS, record that onto MiniDV to keep as the master.

Posted 7 years ago #
nobody
Member

Excellent question!

No matter what kind of tape you store them on, tape has problems due to its makeup and just will not last forever, even Mini-DV.

Saving on DVD is a good idea, but any avi movies over an hour long with decent quality just won't fit on a 4.7. I'd like to see a better answer to this one as I am about to face the issue of archiving also, but the best I can think of so far is MPEG files on the new DVD's with 9gig capacity.

Anyone got a better idea?

Bill Castello - OKVideoGuy.com

Posted 7 years ago #
nobody
Member

I continually have a high pitched or low booming sound in the audio portions of my rendered rm movies. I don't know how to get rid of it, anyone have any suggestions? also what's the best way to render RM movies with premiere to get the optimum quality?

Posted 7 years ago #
nobody
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I have a rather small computer (pentium4 1.6Ghz Windows XP 512RAM 30Gb HD) I am using Pinacal v9,Canon GL2.My computer is shot down before I get started good. Takes forever to render and get this to disk. I am very close to purchesing another computer. My business is growing faster than I can keep up. I have about three thousand dollars. Any suggestions on a good platform to start? I have one in mind but, I am not one who will not listen to those who know. Thank you

Posted 7 years ago #
nobody
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Your harddrive size is probably your biggest problem.

Stay away from via & nvidia chipsets, get another Intel chip. Get more info at http://www.videoguys.com (no connection to me, but a great place for info).

A few months ago I built a 2.4 CPU with 1gig RAM and two harddrives: 160gig & 120gig. I use the 160 strictly for video work and keep it defragged and format it often. Entire system cost me about seven hundred. Hey, I'll build one for you in trade for that GL2!! :)

Posted 7 years ago #
nobody
Member

I store my raw footage on a Hard drive. with the cost of hard drives coming down in price all the time I have an external caddy which I put the drive in and use this to capture the raw footage to. for personal stuff I hope to keep this intact until the next generation of storage arrives, for weddings that might need to be re edited or more copies be made I keep these for six months or so and then reformat.

Posted 7 years ago #
artz
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nobody Wrote:
I store my raw footage on a Hard drive. ...and use this to capture the raw footage to.

When you capture to the hard drive, how much space (GB) does it take for 1 hour of video (in capture format)?

I have SEVERAL tapes I would like to archive (back up), before they degrade and yet be able to use the footage for future projects. It would be nice to copy to a DVD (1 hour tape to 1 hour DVD) but not sure about gettnig the footage back on the computer to edit. One previous suggestion was to use dvddecrypter, but that site has been shut down.

Is everyone else just backing up to hard drives or keeping their tapes?

Posted 6 years ago #
phillips719
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I have a question, how come nobody answers nobody's questions? is it the same person? are you answering your own questions?....hmmm, just curious

Posted 6 years ago #
cfulton
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All of the "nobody" posts were made before we transitioned our forum software to phpbb. These are all different people, it just looks weird under this forum software.

Posted 6 years ago #
artz
Member

Does Videomaker have any suggestions (I tried to search for an article but didn't find one.) I know there are hard drives, removeable drives, etc... What about a way to safely store video that one can also easily view and ALSO xfer to PC for editing. The convenience of a DV tape, but longer shelf life.

Posted 6 years ago #
compusolver
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As for the "nobody" posts answer - I believe that is actually incorrect. My previous post is marked "nobody" and this was already on PHPBB when I posted. Also, I doubt the date on that post (a year ago). I think it was last Spring. I hadn't even joined until December 2004, so I doubt I posted in October 2004. Something else must be going on.

Also, for the past couple of weeks, I've been having a difficult time accessing these board with Firefox. I've had to revert to IE. Has anyone else had this problem?

As for archives - I may not be doing the best way, but I break my tape into shorter AVI files that I'm actually using in my edited video, (I delete the one's I'm not going to use), then I copy those to DVD, usually into folders that will help define them.

It sometimes takes 4 @ 4.7 DVDs, but wholesale they're only thirty-some cents apiece, so no big expense. I also keep my original tapes, but as a previous poster noted, these won't last forever.

Posted 6 years ago #
cfulton
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Which previous post? I am still seeing your posts and your avatar all over the place. If you can send us an example, I'll ask our admin to look into it.
As far as browser, I am using Opera and I have no problems. It's free now and worth a try.

Posted 6 years ago #
compusolver
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Charles - its the third post in this thread. It is an early post, before I created a signature or maybe registered under okvideoguy - but it didn't used to say "nobody".

I never had problems with Firefox until you guys did your last upgrade about a month ago. I have about a dozen web clients who use PHPBB, but they're still on the older version and no problem with Firefox on those either.

The 'nobody' might be happening if you're somehow losing records in the user table. Sometimes that happens if you do a database restore incorrectly - maybe when you did this last upgrade, because that was around October 20 (but 2005) In fact, the 4th and 5th posts don't seem to really belong to this thread at all, so there could have been some inadvertent data shuffling.

I hope you guys are doing a weeky backup of your database. These forums are a big draw to your website, and presumably, to your magazine. If you lost these posts, you'd probably lose most of your forum users. (Hint: Compusolver.com offers scheduled, off-site database backups)

Oh, and maybe I shouldn't admit this, but that's not an avatar - that's an actual photo showing how I might look in twenty years. X-D

Posted 6 years ago #
phillips719
Member

ok, I do have to say, I have been shooting video for much longer than I've been editing using the PC, and over the years I have collected piles of tapes, hi8, digital hi8, mini DV. I've been learning the editing game over about the last 2 years and I haven't found one tape so far that appears to have degraded in the least, although for the most part they have only been played through once or twice in the past and the rest of the time they have been stored in vacuum bags in my closet. I have to say I went a littl crazy vacuum packing everything I could after my wife got that machine. Ok, I don't know if the vacuum packing actually does anything to preserve the tapes, but some of the tapes I have pulled to capture on my PC are over 5 years old easily, and they still look like they were filmed yesterday. Personally I have no problem or concerns archiving master tapes with the complete uncut footage. I do have some VHS that I also archived on Mini DV mainly for the smaller size as the quality is no better than the VHS was to begin with. If you are concerned that the tape will physically break down and the plastics will become brittle with age, you can always date them, and transfer the footage to a new tape at a pre-determined time. I will probably just keep all mine as is, save all that extra worry, and evaluate the condition of my archives after another 5 years.

Posted 6 years ago #
phillips719
Member

Captured DV into AVI takes about 3.5MB per second and approximately 12.5GB for an hour of AVI, if you export this to MPEG2 it will take considerably less space on your hard drive and you will have some control over the quality setting and the space required to archive in the hard drive. I have a huge external raid firewire hard drive with a Terrabyte of storage space, so I have never really paid much attention to what an hour of AVI video takes, it's just not an issue. But if your working off a single hard drive in the 80GB range, then I can see it would be a definite issue. I'd suggest a minimum 80GB system drive and a 160GB storage drive for video files only if you plan on doing a fair amount of editing. I'm getting on different subjects here, those are in other areas of the forum~good day

Posted 6 years ago #
compusolver
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Terrabyte? I'm not even sure how many gigabytes that comes to!

With the price of 300gig drives as low as they are now, I'd consider that to be the smallest option. Our average wedding takes up around 100gigs, so 300 allows me to have two projects going at once, plus pieces of left over stuff that just seems to accumulate.

Terrabyte?

Posted 6 years ago #
Captured-Films
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1 terabyte=1024 gigabytes

1 petabyte = 1,048,576 gigabyte
I've never heard of a petabyte, but I guess its a bunch of space!

Posted 6 years ago #
alohrey
Member

what are you talking about, I bite pita's all of the time. Anyway, thanks for the info, now that I have my first terabyte I guess I will be shooting for a petabyte here shortly.

Later
~Adam

Posted 6 years ago #
artz
Member

Thanks to all for the feedback. This is why we use forums!

Posted 6 years ago #
Videoman
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I archive both on video tape and DVD. I too break the video into small saves - chapters if you will and save at full quality. I find that with both DVD and video they need to be kept at a constant temperature, or a least not experience high temerature changes. My biggest problem is Humidity. Lliving in Quensland Australia the humdiity can be a big problem. Moisture/ fungus and mold are a problem. Some VHS tapes have died from magnetic imprint. This is caused by long periods of storage without the tape being moved. I make it a habbit that I Fast forward and rewind every archive tape once a year. :)

Posted 6 years ago #
phillips719
Member

Compusolver, Check out the 1TB external setup. this is the same one I have, except I paid much less for mine. I bought it from a friend who thought it was broken. Long story short, it wasn't broken after all. go to this link:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1482277&CatId=0

Posted 6 years ago #
Videoman
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Pokerface,

Lucky you. How do you get on with defrag? Are you partitioned off or do yuo use it as one big monster ? I use 4 x 250 gig drives and that's time consuming with defrag.

Posted 6 years ago #
phillips719
Member

Videoman,

Yes I do have it partitioned, and defrag does take awhile, but that's expected. there is a way to link 2 computers up to this same drive together, although I haven't tried that yet. I have the Vegas 6 bundle on the way and it's supposed to be capable of network rendering. I'm not sure exactly how this works, but if I can have the info on one drive that's shared by two computers, and a network render enabled, maybe it will cut down drastically on my project to finished disc time? maybe I mis- understood the "network render", but I can't wait to find out how it all works.

Posted 6 years ago #