FCP vs Premiere

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  • Started 3 years ago by JoeLouw
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  1. Ryan3078
    Member

    scout these forums and do the math...how many people asking for help with thier pscs vs how many asking for help on the macs, then check what kind of help they're asking for...creative/production, or tech support.

    Don't want to get too off topic here, but also keep in mind that if there is a 9-1 ratio of people asking for help with PC vs. Mac, that's because 9 out of 10 (or something very similar to that) readers use PCs.� So of course there will be more people asking for help for PC!

    Personally I've had about 10 PP crashes for the 3 years I've been using it.� About 4 crashes so far on FCE for the year I've been using it. So it's about even.

    But let's keep it to how the software works rather than personal program crashes we've had. That depends as much on how you've set up your computer and how many resources it has more so than which company created the OS.

    It sounds to me like you're leaning towards PP, since you're already doing well with Photoshop. So if you're more familiar with, and have a good experience with, Adobe products then why change? That's my two cents.

    Here's an intersting experiment:

    google "adobe premier crashes" see how many hits you find.

    now google "final cut crashes" see how many hits you find.

    now we all know that apple has about 5-10 % of the market share of the pc's, so I'd guess that 5-10% of whatever number of hits you get for premier would be a fair expectation, if both platforms crash equally.....

    I got 354 hits for final cut and 420,000 for premier..... It seems that the numbers would indicate that premier crashes at over 100 to 1,  even if you factor market share into the equation....

    But math never was my best subject....

    lol

    I just did that search...

    Results 1 - 10 of about 625,000 for premiere pro crashes.

    Results 1 - 10 of about 1,200,000 for final cut crashes.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. Don
    Member

    you didn't read back far enough in the thread....

    a quick search shows that the ratio of premier users having problems, to final cut users, was over a 1000 to one. not ten to one.

    you didn't use quotes to isolate the search to specific parameters. you just proved the word, "Final" got more hits than the word "Premier"

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. Ryan3078
    Member

    I must disagree with you, sir. For your claim to Premiere users having 1000 more problems than FC, was that directed towards a search on this site, or a search engine? My response was directed at the quote of people having troubles with their platform, not the program.

    And if you disagree with what I found with a standard google search referring to program crashes, I direct you towards these screencaptures as proof to clear up this silly misunderstanding!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Don
    Member

     put the quotes around the phrases to weed out results like: The Incredible Hulk: Creative 'Hulk' Differences Make Norton Smash ...

    11 Mar 2008 ... Norton Crash! Norton Bash! norton.jpg ... legendarily exacting Norton has been locking horns with the Marvel Studios brass over final cut: ...
    defamer.com/366670/ creative-hulk-differences-make-norton-smash-norton-crash-norton-bash"

    you need to understand how search engines work and what using quotes does to narrow down inaccurate results.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. robGRAUERT
    Member

     Yea, you gotta put quotes around your search or google will search each individual words.

     But anyway, I'm surprised how much you guys talk about your computers crashing. I've had my Mac Pro for almost a year now (I got it in Sept 07), and I haven't had any crashes. The only time I'm not sitting at my computer editing is when I'm at school or when I need to take a break for an hour to two. For the most part I edit every day. I don't really have a point. I'm just stickin up for Mac and FCS2. :)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. Ryan3078
    Member

     Irregardless.  In doing so, "final cut crashes" yielded just under 400 hits, while "premiere pro crashes" yielded just over 800.  That doesn't correspond with your 1000 "premiere problems" to 1 "final cut" problem, nor does it correspond to the fact that there are 9 PC users to 1 MAC user. The numbers just don't add up for me!

    But I digress.

    Program crashes have lots more to do with your system setup than the program, so let's turn back towards the pros and cons of the software rather than opinions on which hardware cause more crashes!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. Don
    Member

    "Irregardless.  In doing so, "final cut crashes" yielded just under 400 hits, while "premiere pro crashes" yielded just over 800.  That doesn't correspond with your 1000 "premiere problems" to 1 "final cut" problem, nor does it correspond to the fact that there are 9 PC users to 1 MAC user. The numbers just don't add up for me!"

     

    I wouldn't expect numbers to add up for you.

    Seem to be unable to read, or comprehend simple english or to be capable of following simple instructions.

     

    I said key in "final cut crashes" and "adobe premier crashes". The way you typed it, includes both amature and pro versions of final cut while excluding the amature version of Adobe premier. (which more people use).

    Since you're smart enough to spell "google", I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're just trying to mislead people into thinking you're right. 

    I'm not going to waste anymore time on you. 

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. robGRAUERT
    Member

     LOL! JUST GET A MAC!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. Don
    Member

    "JUST GET A MAC"

    Well said.

    There are four kinds of people in this world.

    Those that learn by reading.

    Those that learn by observing.

    Those that have to stick their hand in a fire to see if it really is hot.

    And finally, those that stick thier hand BACK into the fire to see if it's STILL HOT..... 

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. robGRAUERT
    Member

     hahaha. D0n, you're funny.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. Ryan3078
    Member

    I wouldn't expect numbers to add up for you.

    Seem to be unable to read, or comprehend simple english or to be capable of following simple instructions.

    I said key in "final cut crashes" and "adobe premier crashes". The way you typed it, includes both amature and pro versions of final cut while excluding the amature version of Adobe premier. (which more people use).

    Since you're smart enough to spell "google", I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're just trying to mislead people into thinking you're right.

    I'm not going to waste anymore time on you.

    DOn, I'm honestly not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you're trying to cause a conflict with me.  I don't appreciate being insulted, when I'm trying to figure out where you're coming from.  I am trying to get the thread back on track to comparing the programs, while you seem to be bent on insulting me, while at the same time focusing on MAC rather than software.  If you want to take this argument into PMs, then by all means do so. I'm game.  But I don't think this bickering is helping the original poster with his questions about software. I think because you're an Apple fanatic, that you're trying to mislead people into buying MAC. I use both, and you don't see me on my soapbox promoting PCs.  I'm promoting SOFTWARE, because that was the orignial focus on this thread.

    Again, I am not trying to mislead, nor cause conflict, and I'll try not to take offensive at your remarks, sir.  Can we please get back on track?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. Don
    Member

     if one likes premier on windoze, then one will like premier on osx.

    if one has never tried final cut, one should.

    if you're not sure, about what to do, then go with final cut on the mac. if you hate it, then boot up windoze from boot camp and run premier on the mac running windoze.

    Either way you'll have a better/safer/easier editing experiance.

    if you have any problems with final cut on a mac, there is only one company (who is responsible for both hardware and software) to call for help, and they will help you, as Apple is the highest rated company in the industry for supporting customers. so it IS about the software...one cannot seperate the software written by the hardware manfacturer, for the hardware, when deciding. Final cut is the final answer.

     you have only to carefully read this thread to see how far in the sand Premier user have their heads, to see how hard they try to defend an inferior product, because they bought it. One person who I won't discuss any further typed premier pro crashes, then "premier pro crashes", both times came back calling me wrong, when he did and does still refuse to type in "adobe premier crashes". Easiest to lie to oneself. The best liars are those that lie to themselves, believe thier own lies, then try to fool others. A simple search reveals that "Adobe premier" users experiance "Crashes" one thousand to one compared to "final cut crashes" when the market shares say apple has ten percent of the market share then Apple should've had a one to ten ratio on that search, not one to one thousand....

     

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. robGRAUERT
    Member

     hahaha...windoze.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. JoeLouw
    Member

    Just a question that came to mind now:

    If you own a mac (with Intel chip) and PP CS3 for mac, will PP install on the mac os or do you have to install Windows os on your mac in order for that PP CS3 for mac to work?

    Just note we are now talking about the NEW PP CS3

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. robGRAUERT
    Member

     I would image it depends which version of PP you get. They make a Windows version and a Mac OSX version.

    Same goes for a lot of software.  

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. Ryan3078
    Member

     PP will install with the Mac OS fine so long as you have an intel chip. I had a similar question at school with After Effects, and it installed to the Mac OS without needing Windows. So you should be good to go - just remember to order the Mac version!

    DOn, I don't understand why you continue to take cheap shots at me and Adobe/windows users. Your immature slurs and insults aren't productive at all.  You seem to be insecure enough to need to attack nonMac users directly. That's not a good way to get people to support the products that you vaunt about.  I ask you to take your problems up with me on PM. Stop making a scene here.

    And just an FYI, my ignorant friend....it's spelled "premiere", not premier.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. jerronsmith
    Moderator

    Â Attention Everyone,

    Can't we try to maintain a little civility here.

    Resorting to name calling and insults really doesn't help anything.

    Last time I checked we were all adults here (mostly). Can't we please act like it.

    Lets not have this devolve into another Flame war.

    If anyone is wondering why I care, If you notice underneath my name it doesn't say "Member" it says "Moderator".

    Jerron Smith
    Editor-Animator-Educator
    blog: http://www.thepixelsmith.blogspot.com
    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. Ryan3078
    Member

     Joe, if you go to

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=premiere_pro

    and create a free account, you can grab a trial of PP CS3 and see how it works out for you.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. tqla
    Member

    I read this whole string and here's my assessment.

    Don, you're a apple fanboy who thinks you're a "pro" because you bought a mac.

    Rob, you're a lemming.

    Jerron, you're a wealth of knowledge.

    Ryan, you're awesome and will most likely go far in this industry because of your understanding that it's talent and not tools that create good programming.

    Me? I spent 10+ years on Avid and now spend my time editing for fun using FCP, Sony Vegas, and Cinelerra. And, NO, not making "wedding videos".

    Good luck Joe, I hope you saw through the fanboy BS and go with what's affordable and what feels right to you. Remember, all the viewer enjoys is the final product. (Although, Don, probably puts the apple logo in the lower right hand corner. lol)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. robGRAUERT
    Member

     What the big deal if people are really into Apple? Some people are just fed up with PCs. Get over it.

     Just because people prefer Apple, doesn't mean they don't realize that skill is just as important, if not more important, that the tools used. What good is skill if you have crappy tools that don't work or are so annoying to use that you spend more time trouble shooting than actually working?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. composite1
    Moderator

    Man,

    It is truly sad to continuously see 'pros' still sqabbling over PC's & Mac's.

    Ryan, way to stick to those guns boyo! If you've got a camera hand to match that eye for detail, you can crew up with me any day.

    Joe,

    You said at the start you're in the beginning stage of editing. Before you make any hard decisions, ask yourself; what are my goals for potential edited projects? Are you planning to do small projects in a non-profit capacity? Do you plan on editing professionally? If so, at what level (i.e. freelance or full-time business?) What will be the ultimate distribution pipeline(s) for your completed work (DVD, Internet, broadcast, etc.?) Answering these questions will give you a much clearer idea of the kind of editing system you're going to need.

    Let's just say you're looking at the 'pro (freelance, full-time business) level. To turn out quality professional looking product you're going to need a system capable of doing what you need to achieve said look. Just so you know, the higher-end you want to go the more you're going to have to invest in software and hardware. On a side note, depending on your skillset you can 'get away with' working on a much lesser system with lesser software but it's so much more work!

    Now to be clear, I've worked with both Macs and PC's since '96. In '97 I was doing field repairs and upgrades on graphic mac workstations. By '98 I started on my own doing the same on PC's because I couldn't afford a mac. Though now I am fluent with building custom NLE's for the PC platform, I also do occasional editing work with mac based NLE's. I currently prefer PC's because if anything goes awry, I can fix it. I have no intention of 'retooling' my production company to a mac setup, but consistantly collaborate with collegues and contractors who use both systems and I use software that aids in said collaboration.

    So, to answer your question (and reaffirm some other posters); No, you can't use FCE or P on anything other than a mac. You can't use Vegas Pro (which has been mentioned) on anything but a PC. You can use Avid Media Composer on a mac (it was originally designed for mac), but you can't use Avid Symphony on a mac (if you could afford it, you wouldn't care!) Premeire Pro can be used on a PC or Mac (provided it has an intel chip).

    Something you should consider if you're going the pro route to editing; whatever platform you choose, it has been my experience to use an NLE computer with two monitors and a desktop configured as a workstation. Two reasons why I would recommend against getting a 'one piece' (built-in monitor and desktop). First, when editing having a second monitor is a necessity (not a luxury). You'll need the space to work with your editing window, timeline, audio controls and the numerous bins your project will acquire during the edit. Two, if your built-in monitor goes bad unless you have� another monitor,� you'll have a nice paperweight sitting on your editing table.

    Lastly, when it comes to deciding on which software to use consider the previous and what will give you the best workflow pipeline for your current budget? FCP is a great program, but unless you plan on getting Shake, Motion and other apple-only graphics support software, you're most likely going to end up getting Adobe software. So whatever money you save on FCP up front, you'll end up spending getting support software. On the otherhand, adobe makes most of the 'industry standard' programs and offers them in one bundle. Just some stuff to think about. Good luck with your decision.

    H.Wolfgang Porter, Composite Media Producer
    Dreaded Enterprises Unlimited, Inc.
    http://www.dreadedenterprises.com
    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. EarlC
    Moderator

    "So I’m going that route soon by buying the latest, biggest iMac. My question is I need to make a decision on an editing software package, FCP or Premiere." - JoeLouw

    I tried to carefully read through the numerous responses here regarding your original post Joe. Nowhere has anyone specifically responded to or noted that you have initially stated you intend to purchase an "iMac."

    While an iMac is certainly a wonderful, if limited, machine, it simply will not result in ANY of the potential benefits (mentioned in the many responses) of either software in which you have mentioned an interest. In fact, some aspects of FCP and, I suspect also Premiere, software will not even install or, much less be used to their full potential, an iMac.

    Now, if you were to consider a Mac Pro 8-core...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. robGRAUERT
    Member

     In fact, some aspects of FCP and, I suspect also Premiere, software will not even install or, much less be used to their full potential, an iMac.

     

    FCP will work fine on an iMac. I used to use a G4 iBook in 05, and I never had a problem with FCP. So certainly a modern iMac will work quite nicely. Even Motion won't be a problem. It is RAM intensive while working in the program, but the iMac can be upgraded to 4GB of RAM.

    The only problems a user would have with an iMac is not being able to monitor externally with Color since Color can only go out through a Kona Card.

    iMacs are pretty good...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. Ryan3078
    Member

     Ryan, way to stick to those guns boyo! If you've got a camera hand to match that eye for detail, you can crew up with me any day.

    Thank you sir! Call me up if you're ever in Ohio :)

     FCE works well on the new iMacs we have at school, if worryingly slow on rendering. I'm not sure if that's because of the program or the computer specs.   Like composite1 said, regardless of whether you get FC or PP, you'll probably end up buying all the components of the editing system you purchase (VFX, audio, DVD, etc).  $1300 for Apple's suite, $1700 for Adobe's.  I'm sure you'll be happy with the choice you make.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. Dang...sure am glad I use Vegas...I came from the audio world and got used to Sonic Forge and CoolEditPro/Audition.  I find the audio tools in both PP and FCP to be lacking. 

    Bottom line is use what works for YOU.  The client/audience doesn't know or care what NLE you have, only in the results...

    Cheers!

    Posted 3 years ago #

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