http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Topic: How to make an Infinite White Background Cheap.... en Sun, 19 Feb 2012 04:35:06 +0000 http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-56400 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:50:57 +0000 Derek Sine 56400@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I don't think anyone could ever take your job. </p> <p>We really dig the videos, feel free to use the forums as a platform for whatever you may be up to. I know we are all interested! Heck, write a <a href="http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/guest-blog-posts">guest blog post</a> and link back to your site! </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-56397 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:00:44 +0000 Videopia 56397@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hehe, thanks and no worries: I have thick Internet-proof skin and can take it...and dish it (although I'll be polite here, I promise!). Plus, Mr. Hester DID have some very valid criticisms too, which I genuinely appreciated. Time to step up my game!</p> <p> </p> <p>p.s., Derek, I want my job back. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-56396 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:51:26 +0000 composite1 56396@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Eric,</p> <p>I want to echo Derek in welcoming you aboard. Hope you found the post in the spirit of what you put out. Don't mind Herr Hester. He's our resident "DA" (Devils' Advocate) and his comments generally help flush out those who haven't put much though into their work (which you obviously did.)</p> <p>In fact, I've been researching how to put together a kit based upon yours and a few other setups. Thanks for posting your videos as I have commented on several others besides this one.</p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-56394 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:06:11 +0000 birdcat 56394@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>DEF - Good to see ya!</p> <p>I know it's a bit odd but I think I've seen too many of your tutorials - I now hear your voice when I read your words....  Scary, ain't it?</p> <p>BTW - Like the new beard...  Makes you look professorish.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-56393 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:57:01 +0000 Derek Sine 56393@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Thanks for joining us. Mr. Franks, hope to see you stick around! </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-56392 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:10:52 +0000 Videopia 56392@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Woah, kinda harsh there Mr. Hester, dontcha think?! I'll take the shot on the Telly, but the rest? Really?</p> <p>(1) "piracy of elements" all clear on Fair Use (the clips are used as<br /> illustration or example). You can read up on copyright and Fair Use<br /> here: <a href="http://videopia.org/index.php/read/articles-mainmenu-229/191-fair-use-in-the-digital-age.html">Fair Use in the Digital Age</a><br />(2) Horrible lighting? That bad? I wouldn't call it genius LD, but I don't<br /> think it's horrible for a guy lighting and shooting himself, with a<br /> consumer camcorder on a strict budget, in his one car garage.<br />(3) "Babbled on" maybe you' ve got a point there, but I covered a lot of ground in 4:37 seconds, no?<br />(4) I like your idea of hanging an 8x12 foot piece of linoleum. You were<br /> thinking 8x12, right? I realize you don't want to babble on and on, but<br /> your post was short on details.<br />(5) I don' t like your idea of using 2 c-stands. Cha-ching: minimum of $200 there. Add in the $60<br /> sheet of linoleum and you' ve already exceeded my total budget for this<br /> project. And you haven't purchased paint or even a single light yet.  I<br /> guarantee my "horrible lighting" will be infinitely better than your 2<br /> c-stands + linoleum solution in your dark garage.<br />(6) "I'd consider this an example of what not to do from start to finish."<br /> Again, wow, harsh. So what would you do, from start to finish, on a<br /> $250 budget, starting from scratch? Keep in mind we'll be shooting with<br /> a consumer camcorder and, since the Videopia total budget from Camera<br /> to Computer is $5,000, we won't be editing on a dualie Mac Pro with<br /> After Effects + Keylight. The studio space is also dual use, not<br /> dedicated either and you are going to be standing a meter or so away from the back wall. </p> <p>Oh, and you have 4:37 seconds. Ready? GO!</p> <p>Seriously though, thanks for some of your genuinely useful criticism (esp. the<br /> lighting tip "...bouncing a little more white from the left in this<br /> case."). And I cringe at the Telly thing too, but I really struggle<br /> with self-marketing and thought this might be good for my brand a good<br /> for getting clients, most of whom are not in the industry. Meh, I guess<br /> it'd be a little like if I claimed to be "...the most unique,<br /> cost-effective one-man-band production company in the nation." which<br /> would surely be an unfounded bit of marketing exaggeration, even though<br /> my rates are very low, certainly less that $175/hr.</p> <p>Eric</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51576 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:53:42 +0000 composite1 51576@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Grinner,</p> <p>Yeah, I caught that. There was an inconsistency between the full-length and close-up shots when it came to lighting. As for the 'babbling', I guess it makes it more 'palatable' for the newb's watching. I still think the info was good though. Just so the newb's know, a good 'C' stand starts at $100+ each. So if you're working on the cheap, the PVC setup is good and more modular. I did a test with those clamp lights used in the video and because of the weight of the light fixture and bulb, you'll need something to add grip to the clamp so it won't tilt down on it's own. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51574 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:01:37 +0000 grinner 51574@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Well, instead of just explaining how to make a cheap cyc (lenolium hung with two c-stands works great) the dude babbled on and on, making the viewer skip to the meat. Throughout that there were elemts from spots that not only didn't add anything to the piece... they pointed out how bad the lighting on the trainer was. It was a matter of bouncing a little more white from the left in this case. </p> <p>A purcahsed trophy set it up appropriatly. I'd consider this an example of what not to do from start to finish.</p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51521 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:02:50 +0000 composite1 51521@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Yeah, the 'Telly' bit was over the top. I like many working pros have been invited to submit work to the contest. I just couldn't get past the idea of having to 'pay $150 for the trophy' if I won. </p> <p>Grinner, please elaborate on your remarks. It's obvious that you disapprove of the video I would like more info as to why.</p> <p>Other than that, I thought for the amount spent and the availability of the components the info will be very helpful to intermediate to pro videographers looking to getting similar work done without the pro cost.</p> <p>Sarge, you're right. Greenscreen is a more likely way to do it if you have the means available. The beauty of this setup is it works just as well for other colored backgrounds including green if the shooter doesn't have a portable setup.</p> <p>Birdcat, yeah he's not a bad source of info though I am 'irked' with him as he 'punked' out with his version of 'Mac vs PC' video. On the one hand, he had finally said the words that needed to be said but to paraphrase Grinner, his lame attempt at humor killed the overall message.</p> <p>The most valuable item I got from the video was the construction of the pvc light stand. I went out and priced the parts and can build one with variable sizes for less than $60. I've also used those aluminum clamp lights as fills for greenscreen work. Eric mentioned doing your homework when buying compact flourescent bulbs (CFB's) and he's dead on. I use them exclusively in kit lights and they are great because they through out less heat than standard tungsten bulbs. However, though they come in standard and daylight intensities be advised that standard CFB's are about 1000K (Kelvin) less than a traditional 3200K bulb. Daylight CFB's average 1000K+ more than a traditional 5000K bulb and instead of having a 'reddish' tint they have a harsh blue tint. Believe it or not, both types of bulbs work well long as you understand the limitations and expose for them properly.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51509 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:17:21 +0000 grinner 51509@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> From starting that vid with a proud Telly to the piracy of elements to the horriple lighting on the guy talking, I'm hoping this was meant to be a viral comedy.</p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51504 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:15:44 +0000 birdcat 51504@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Eric is awesome (he's a really nice guy too!) - I have all of his vids on DVD from when he was at Digital Juice (<a href="http://www.digitaljuice.com/products/product_volumes.asp?pvid=12">DJTV</a> - Actually I have all of DJTV).  His new website - <a href="http://videopia.org/">Videopia</a> - is one of my regular sources of information.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51496 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:02:09 +0000 SargeHero 51496@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Nice video. This can also be done with greenscreen by chroma keying and then adding a White Solid. Of course, it does not look as amazing as the one presented in the video, but is a quick and cheap way to do it if you already own a greenscreen. The problem with this method is lighting the talent without over lighting the greenscreen and of course the keying process. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51493 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:20:15 +0000 Eventvideoguy 51493@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>That video was very interesting.  I was wondering how they did those all white scenes.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-to-make-an-infinite-white-background-cheap#post-51485 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:55:52 +0000 composite1 51485@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>From the Matrix's 'Construct' to Auto Trader's 'Virtural Dealership' to those weenie Mac commercials, the Infinite white background signifies an expensive and professionally made film/video production. Now you too for a fraction of what it would cost the pros can make your own Infinite White Background. Check out this video from Videopia to see how.</p> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/789519">Lighting Infinite White</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/videopia">Videopia</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>