http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: Wedding Video - Recent Posts en Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:46:30 +0000 http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/our-latest-work-lhay-and-william-flashback-lovestory#post-70236 Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:26:25 +0000 Anonymous 70236@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Thanks for watching Bruce..much appreciated!  </p> <p>Cheers!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/our-latest-work-lhay-and-william-flashback-lovestory#post-70202 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:30:33 +0000 BruceMol 70202@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I love it when you post your videos - it almost makes me want to do wedding videos...almost, but not quite! Great story concept, motifs and production!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/our-latest-work-lhay-and-william-flashback-lovestory#post-70199 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:24:13 +0000 Anonymous 70199@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Thought i'd share our latest work...a compelling lovestory.We were so thrilled to put their story on video and show the final cut during their dinner reception.. shot with the 60D , glidetrack and Vixia HG10 on steadicam</p> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/27324398">http://vimeo.com/27324398</a></p> <p>Cheers!</p> <p>Ken</p> <p><a href="http://www.verticalvideoworks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.verticalvideoworks.com</a></p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68878 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 05:12:36 +0000 Don 68878@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46_bjwH6A4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46_bjwH6A4</a></p> <p>go to the video, read the comments.</p> <p>that was for a video I was comissioned to make by a magazine.... yes the peice in my portfolio that gets shown to editors on my laptop has the music beatsynched in, but nothing that can ever be copied goes out to the general public.</p> <p>Fair use.</p> <p>As for weddings.... I advertize my weddings as "Journalistic style" and we record what is there and turn it over to the client. We also have  clients that want songs added to thier slideshow or dance video albums, and we purchase those songs from itunes, on thier behalf, itemize them on the clients bill, add them to thier wedding dvd's then delete them off our drives. The client signs a contract and as far as I am concerned, I've put thier Bought music onto thier own "private use" video and I will fight to claim it it was fair use if challenged. The key argument? We did not distribute COPIES of the music, we simply provided the service that allowed the customer to BUY a song, ADD it to the  Video we created for thier own personal, private use. We did not KEEP A COPY of the music they BOUGHT.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68875 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:01:26 +0000 sunkleep 68875@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Scary thought, that 3 different people had to pay for the same song (played only the once) -- equating to only one version of the song having been played, and the fee is times three...... what a racket. I'm in the wrong business.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68874 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:20:53 +0000 stevejbiz 68874@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>A young friend is a DJ in Northern CA. He tells me a band was in the house to film a segment and he was playing during their breaks.  The videographer started the shoot as the band began to play and his cut was ending.  About 12 seconds, as he tells it.  The video went on to YouTube, someone "important" saw it, and the band paid $800 for the privilege of playing over the copyrighted music.  The DJ said he paid a thousand.  Not sure how the shooter fared, but I'd bet he paid as well.</p> <p>Just say'n.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68867 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:31:06 +0000 birdcat 68867@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Actually, my ex-wife's son-in-law (unsure of what that makes him to me) is a DJ and he purchases his music from a special clearing house specifically for DJ's - I believe the songs cost more and royalties are paid that way.  Same for karaoke discs, they are more than regular cd's.</p> <p>Any other DJ's out here?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68857 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:46:01 +0000 jsachanda 68857@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>&nbsp;For reasons mentioned above, I highly doubt the DJ's clear any music they play.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68850 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:59:09 +0000 sunkleep 68850@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> SteveMann and Birdcat, these two responses are worth the price of admission alone.....  thanks, as this was the information I was hoping for -- a strong idea of how the "infringement" issues worked and what it means for the wedding videographer. </p> <p>I suspected our role in the video business (insignificant wedding vediographers) combined with the "common misunderstandings" suggests that doing wedding videos is still a wothwhile endeavor. So, I will continue. Again, thanks.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68847 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:06:25 +0000 birdcat 68847@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Some interesting uses and definitions of "Fair Use" including some legal cases - Wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use</a></p> <p>Note the "common misunderstandings" section.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68845 Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:11:40 +0000 SteveMann 68845@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>vid-e-o-man said:</p> <p>"It sure seems to me that the whole music industry in these United States<br /> (can't speak for the rest of the world) is sure missing the boat on<br /> this or other similar issues."</p> <p>The confusion surrounding the myriad legalities of licensing both helps and hurts here.  If copyrighted music is recognizable in your video, then the copyright owner *can* enforce their rights.  There is no such thing (in law) as "incidental".  There's no "30-second" provision, there's no "downstream licensing".  It's all hearsay.  The bottom line is that if a copyright owner recognizes their work in a video, they can enforce their rights.  Period.</p> <p>On the other hand, the wedding and event video professionals represent such a very tiny number of uses of copyrighted works, it's simply not worth the notice of the owners and their evil licensing agents.  which is also why there will likely never be any kind of blanket licensing ad vid-e-o-man suggests.  We are simply too insignificant to be bothered with.</p> <p>I have asked on various forums over the past ten years, does anyone have FIRST-HAND knowledge of a videographer who was busted by the Copyright Mafia?  So far the closest I have is a third-hand report from a school official who knows of another school that got a warning letter from the Disney corporation.  The school in question was advertising DVD's of a school play on the school website (Disney owns the book).</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68693 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:49:22 +0000 vid-e-o-man 68693@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> It sure seems to me that the whole music industry in these United States (can't speak for the rest of the world) is sure missing the boat on this or other similar issues. I believe that there are a lot of people like us who would like to be on the up and up but find the whole licensing set up to be too intimidating or complicated to use properly. If there was a simpler and more affordable system of using copyrighted music, we would just pay ($10, $20 or whatever) to a central site and record the first dance as is with the crowd ambiance. I guarantee that their music is getting used anyway and they aren't finding out about it. They would get money that they probably wouldn't get in the first place many times over and people (us) would feel better about using their stuff. The royalty-free people might not like this solution. IMVHO.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68689 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:43:41 +0000 birdcat 68689@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>There are MANY types of licenses that have to be acquired for using/selling music.  The songwriters, lyricists, publishers, singers, musicians, distributors, etc... all must be paid (what ASCAP &amp; BMI do).  Rights are mechanical, sync, performance, distribution, so many more....</p> <p>Why I always suggest speaking to an IP lawyer and getting your checkbook ready.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68683 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:49:42 +0000 Rick Ashworth 68683@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi all,</p> <p>Excuse the "new guy in town," but I have a music studio and I MAKE audio recordings that I sell, and ASCAP is coming after me for "songs in their catalog" that have samples on my website.</p> <p>My website is over 15 years old, and I have SCRUPULOUSLY kept samples to 25-29 seconds.</p> <p>You should see the licensing contract that ASCAP emailed me to allow me to have samples of "covers" of the songs that I produce.</p> <p>And beyond that, the accounting that they require is insane.  How long did sample A play for user1, on what day/hour/min/sec did it start/end?  Who is the rights holder of the song that this sample comes from (evidently that's my job, not theirs..).</p> <p>It's insanity.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68630 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:12:09 +0000 sunkleep 68630@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Grinner, I've come to enjoy your responses...  that being said, if I record a tune at a wedding (say the "couple dance") and I edit in a song other than the one the DJ plays for the couple, am I not in violation anyway -- I would (necessarily) need to use the same song the couple dances to.....  so, editing in the same song doesn't help. But if I edit in another song, I've defeated the purpose of taping the "couple dance". </p> <p>I post this mostly for the enjoyment of the argument (this time). I realize the implications of this scenerio. I was looking for other opinions -- such as Birdcat and Grinner (thank you). I have decided that if I can find a reasonable fee solution, I'll use that. Otherwise I'm stuck pirating the song(s) to meet the need of the video. I simply don't know how to make it anymore black-n-white than that (sorry).</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68608 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:12:44 +0000 grinner 68608@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Some like to make the whole copyright issue complicated. It's not. If you record a copyrighted tune, you are pirating. Done. I win. all hail me. Thank you. </p> <p>If we couldnt edit so easily, this would be a drag, huh? Because we can, man, there is just no reason to become a prirate like so many other wedding viots elect.</p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68606 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:06:44 +0000 sunkleep 68606@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Thanks for the reply, Birdcat. You're a way better man than I for writing your own stuff. Having an engineering background, black-n-white is my style.....  shades of grey screw things up. It "is", or it "isn't". Of course, the real world doesn't work that way. Anyway, I'll "get ur done" one way or another.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68605 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 10:53:51 +0000 birdcat 68605@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>The word "incidental" is vague, as is it's interpretation.  For example, the first dance - Having the DJ's version of the song on the video could be interpreted as incidental, as you really could not capture the moment, including the crowd noise, without including the music that just so happens to be playing in the background.  On the other hand, it could be argued that you could replace the entire audio track with a piece of royalty free music that does not infringe anyone's rights.  Which is why this is such a messy issue and even IP lawyers cannot agree on all aspects.</p> <p>On a personal note, I solved this for my own wedding by writing my wife a song, going into studio and recording it and surprising her with it at the ceremony - <a href="http://www.birdcat.com/littlegirl.mp3">http://www.birdcat.com/littlegirl.mp3</a></p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68600 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:13:05 +0000 sunkleep 68600@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Birdcat, I've been thinking about your point 3...  and most songs would be incidental, but what spurred this thread was (for example) the "wedding couple dance" -- whereas shooting the couple's first "official" dance together would really be kinda silly without having the actual song they dance to, making it an integral part of that video segment. </p> <p>The second point is (as you point out), if the DMCA would find it worth their while to pursue going after the videographer for this kind of infringement.</p> <p>Part of my question is this, If the DJ service "paid" for the rights to play it at the wedding, and I capture it in the video, then is it covered by the DJ's right to use the song. (This is where, I beleive, the "incidental" part comes in.) Just thinking out loud now.</p> <p>Thanks for the input.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68597 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 04:58:58 +0000 birdcat 68597@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>1) If you are serious about this you would need to consult with an intellectual property atttorney.</p> <p>2) I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV.</p> <p>3) It is my understanding (just Bruce's, no one else but me) that if the music is "incidental", meaning that it is not integrally part of the video production, then it's ok.  If you can hear it and it is used as a major component of the audio portion or is used to make edit decisions (cuts) then you would need to obtain several types of rights (mechanical, sync, distribution, performance, more...) before being legally allowed to use it.</p> <p>All that said, most wedding video producers fly in the face of the DMCA and run the risk of major lawsuits, but honestly I don't know any wedding vid folks wh have been sued.</p> <p>Just my opinion.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68593 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:33:54 +0000 doublehamm 68593@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>The flood gates are now open.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/using-audio-songs-from-wedding-dj-service#post-68592 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:25:32 +0000 sunkleep 68592@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>&nbsp;I've been reading up on legal issues of&nbsp;using audio tracks (and other music) in wedding video productions. My question is this:&nbsp;are the songs played&nbsp;by a DJ service at a wedding usable in my wedding videos without violating the legal "rights" issue? I heard that if I use less than 30 seconds of the song, than there is no violation -- any comment on this?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68197 Mon, 23 May 2011 08:59:52 +0000 Flex Media 68197@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Interesting concept. It depends on how soon they can get the usable footage categorized for the client to view and edit.  If it's easy for the client to edit and quickly post on the social networks, many people may go for it. When we did weddings, we could not compete with cheap because we wanted to produce a professional video. We all know we can't compete with the "do it yourselfers". That's a whole different category. This kinda gives the buyer a type of ownership like they did it themselves and had help from their closes friends who may know more what the Bride and Groom want than the local videographer.  I've seen instant cameras on tables at weddings for everyone to take pictures.  What ever happened to those? </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68193 Mon, 23 May 2011 06:32:05 +0000 doublehamm 68193@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>The problem with high quality wedding videographers is we are usually one of the first cut from the list, if we ever made it at all.  Usually this is due to budgets, or simply just not being recognized as a traditional wedding option at this time.  </p> <p>While I 100% agree that a grand, professionally shot and edited wedding day by an experienced videographer is definitely ideal, and something every bride should have, it is not reality.  I think this type of option helps fill that void.  Even though it won't make you rich (that is still a lot of work and risk involved to make $800), it could be supplemental income for the ambitious, and help spread the word that videography in any form is something not to be excluded from a wedding day.  </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68191 Mon, 23 May 2011 06:10:11 +0000 Iriska 68191@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi, </p> <p>First time that I see smth similar - well, certainly this would allow to reduce costs at the final instance, but what's about the quality of such a video ? </p> <p>Even if post-optimized afterward, I would not go for this solution if the quality would be of importance for me. </p> <p>I think the same is already recognized for photos - even though everybody has it own photo camera, services of skilled photographers are still highly required, even though such services do cost. </p> <p>I think, in the long term, the same approach would apply with videos, especially with marriage ones. </p> <p>Best regards, </p> <p><a title="Photographe mariage Luxembourg" href="http://www.irika.lu">photographe mariage Luxembourg</a></p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68179 Sun, 22 May 2011 15:30:07 +0000 doublehamm 68179@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Well it seems Flip is about to be gone for good, although current stock will still be for sale.  Are there any other comparable cameras out there anyone would suggest?  I like the videos from GoPros from what I have seen, but this line seems to be aimed more towards the "wearable" crowd.  </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68172 Sun, 22 May 2011 10:18:07 +0000 Don 68172@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>we offer something similar. we rent a dj system with a d-slr and video camera and video projector....</p> <p>your guests can use thier own cameras (plus our wi-fi dslr) and it all goes together for a photo/video/vj party at the reception... it is perfect for smaller gatherings... </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68170 Sun, 22 May 2011 09:55:20 +0000 doublehamm 68170@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>On second thought you could probably set up a similar service to compliment your own business and do multiple weddings per week.  Editing with that footage would in theory be much easier as all the fancy color correction and effects you would do would be hardly expected with such footage.  And they cannot come back to you on how bad the footage turned out!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68169 Sun, 22 May 2011 09:44:53 +0000 doublehamm 68169@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I would love to see reception footage with those...</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/wedit#post-68166 Sun, 22 May 2011 05:08:14 +0000 Cville 68166@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I was catching up on my newspapers this morning and was reading an article about how to save money on your wedding.  One of the suggestions was instead of hiring someone to do video to use a service called wedit.  This was the first time I had heard of this service but the concept is they send you 5 hd flip cameras and you hand them to guests to use.    You send them back and they edit.  </p> <p>On the pricing page they of course have different packages.  On their top package $799 you get a highlight video with the song of your choice.  I wonder if they have rights for that or maybe it is just a choice off of their list.  </p> <p>Anyway the concept is interesting but you could end up with a load of c... for your wedding video and still have spent several hundred dollars. </p>