http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: streaming - Recent Posts en Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:20:42 +0000 http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/streaming-video-in-high-definition#post-68168 Sun, 22 May 2011 08:59:19 +0000 nyc729 68168@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Hi folks, I hope someone can help me.</p> <p>I am streaming live fitness classes.  I want the highest quality as people will be paying for these classes.  I have a Canon HV40 Vixia. I have an Insprion Dell 5410 laptop, I am using Livestream premium and I usually have a direct ethernet connection for highest speed, I also have a 4G Verizon plan when I need to go mobile.  I am trying to broadcast in high definition.  I am being told that my video card in the laptop isn't fast enough.  I am using firewire 4 pin (camera) to 6 pin (laptop express card).  I bought the Black Magic Intensity Shuttle and a usb 3.0 express card.  It doesn't work.  Question:  will upgrading my video card allow me to broadcast in HD?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/camcorder-options-for-streaming-video#post-68149 Fri, 20 May 2011 23:43:58 +0000 AthanJ098 68149@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hello all.  I hope this is posted in the right area.</p> <p>I'm looking for some feedback regarding a camcorder that I will use for indoor shooting of a music performance that will eventually be streamed online.  I want to shoot HD at 60p and was looking for a camcorder that would record decent 720p HD since that's probably the end resolution that I will try to stream.  </p> <p>I was originally looking at the Samsung HMX-H200 vs the Sony HDR-CX110.  The Samsung records in typical mp4 (H.264) format whereas the Sony records in AVCHD.  The Sony records in 1080i, but I didn't really want to deal with interlaced video, so I opted for the Samsung so I could record full 720p 60fps.  However, these are both last year's models and this year Samsung has similar specs with the HMX-H300, but Sony threw me a curve ball with the HDR-CX130, which now shoots full 1080p video at 60fps. In my tests with the Samsung HMX-H200, in low light settings I saw more noise with 720 vs 1080, but in very well lit scenes, I couldn't tell much of a difference on my 21.5 inch monitor between 720 and 1080.  That said, for my music performance shoot I will have plenty of light, so my question is should I just stick with the Samsung and record 720p 60fps if 720p is my target resolution for streaming this video on the web anyway?  Or should I get the newer Sony and record at full 1080p and convert it to 720p in post?  I've heard if you record higher quality from the beginning, your results will be better, even if converting to a lower resolution.  Also, I've read that the bit rate that AVCHD records at is higher and therefore yields higher quality.  But will this higher quality codec and higher resolution even be noticed when compared to 720p footage? </p> <p>Anyway, I'm at a point where I need to make a decision.  I'm weighing the practicality of the Samsung with the possibility of added quality of the Sony at the higher resolution.  I just don't know if I'll see that quality if I'm compressing my video for web streaming anyway.  Any help would be appreciated, and if you have other camcorder ideas, feel free to mention those as well.  Sorry for the book, kind of a simple yet loaded question.  Thanks in advance!</p> <p>Athan</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/streaming-video-not-working#post-66012 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 20:40:12 +0000 Moab Man 66012@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Using IE and Chrome and I can see them.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/streaming-video-not-working#post-65983 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:05:42 +0000 h_lane 65983@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> For some reason none of your streaming videos are playing on my computer. I was looking at the How To / Production / Lighting page and tried to click on several of the streaming video links. A new window opened, the video area came up (black box), but no video ever started.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/need-help-3#post-62601 Sat, 09 Oct 2010 19:38:00 +0000 EarlC 62601@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I use <a href="http://dv-kitchen.com">DVKitchen</a> to accomplish my QT upload video file needs. I'm not smart enough to dig down and find the magic moments without a program that does most of the work for me. I'm happy with what's happening for me.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/need-help-3#post-62585 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:35:38 +0000 XTR-91 62585@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I really think it's a problem with Apple, now.  I've tried a couple of code presets that should allow my video to stream, and neither of them worked.</p> <p> </p> <p>I hope that there is more of you out there that can share your experience.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/need-help-3#post-62579 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:42:36 +0000 XTR-91 62579@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I wish I could be a little more specific, but apparently, this is the only way I get responses.  It's about web players in specification to their formats, so I could have just titled it "mac vs. pc" (which is what I'm going to try next time).  I am unable to save WMV files in Vegas Pro without getting a dropout, so all of my luck seems to be going H.264.</p> <p> </p> <p>I can watch H.264 files through web pages on my PC through Explorer 8, but am unable to make them buffer when watching online.  <strong>NO MESSAGE... JUST A WAIT OF TWO HOURS IN ORDER TO GET THE QUICKTIME LOGO TO DISAPPEAR AND PLAY</strong>. Bottom line IS THAT <strong>IT WON'T STREAM AT ALL</strong> - just a strenuous download.  How do I get the h.264 video online embedded (or configure QuickTime) where it is actually able to stream? This is not intended to be a 55-hour discussion, or comment that gets nothing at all. <strong>I just want an answer.</strong></p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/online-live-broadcasts#post-59959 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:06:27 +0000 Akrotiri 59959@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>I use a web-based application called Elluminate to hold meetings online. This software allows for six simultaneous audio and video feeds so participants use webcams and headsets to see and talk to each other.</p> <p>I'm interested in using this software to hold live online coferences/presentations as well but would like to use a camcorder at the back of the room to provide the video feed rather than a webcam.</p> <p>My question is what do I need in terms of camcorder to do this?</p> <p>I've been looking at the Panasonic HDC-TM700 and the Sony CX116 HD cameras and wondering whether these would do. Do HD cameras live stream over USB 2.0 connections? Is a IEEE1394(Firewire) connection needed? Would my camera need an audio in or is the on-board mic good enough to pick up someone presenting at the front of a small room from the back?</p> <p>Any help is much appreciated. Best wishes. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/hd-hard-drive-based-camera-to-stream#post-59201 Sun, 30 May 2010 04:09:01 +0000 birdcat 59201@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Many of these cameras have HDMI outputs - can you use that?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/hd-hard-drive-based-camera-to-stream#post-59194 Sat, 29 May 2010 16:49:34 +0000 amilby30 59194@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hello ,</p> <p>I need to purchase an HD hard drive base camera that I can stream video directly from  for a ustream show. All the cameras that I have researched are all old Min DV cams that have this capability because the new cameras do not come with firewire. </p> <p>Even if there is a way to plug the camera into a DVR device and stream directly to my computer would work as well. Any solutions at all I'm open to, Thanks!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/videomaker-on-roku-a-message-to-videomaker#post-56751 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:22:50 +0000 EarlC 56751@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Could be a good thing, I suppose. Even when facing marital bliss J. Michael has time to think of such things :-)</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/videomaker-on-roku-a-message-to-videomaker#post-56749 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:39:40 +0000 Derek Sine 56749@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Great idea - I will pass this along.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/videomaker-on-roku-a-message-to-videomaker#post-56747 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:36:33 +0000 Aspyrider 56747@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>In July 2009 I received a Roku Box for my Birthday, since then I have fallen in love with the ability to stream Netflix and all the channels they offer direct to my TV.</p> <p>Roku now has the ability to set up a channel and have your own programming added so viewers can watch. There is nothing like being able to watch internet shows on an actual TV rather than sitting in front of my PC. Yes you can hook a PC to a TV but this is easier and simple. See my <a href="http://intheviewfinder.blogspot.com/2009/10/roku-netflix-box.html">article on ITV about the growing online streaming industry and how it affects viewers</a>. </p> <p> </p> <p>So, I would like to ask Videomaker to add their content of fantastic videos, tutorials and programming to a channel on Roku! You can set it up <a href="http://www.roku.com/developer">here in the development section</a>. </p> <p> </p> <p>Imagine being able to watch Videomaker on TV! It's possible now, and with more units available to do the same, XBox, Boxee, etc., this is a growing trend with hundreds of thousands of viewers already jacking in the internet to their television sets. </p> <p> </p> <p>So, what about it Videomaker? Are you game? Will you accept the challenge to create your own TV station and stream your quality programming on Roku? I hope you will and I know many others will enjoy the show!</p> <p> </p> <p>Other alternatives would be to join Mediafly, BlipTV or another channel already there. But I think Videomaker deserves to have their own station on the net. </p> <p> </p> <p>So there you have it. Videomaker, I want to watch YOU on TV where you belong! What say ye?</p> <p>J. Michael</p> <p><a href="http://www.intheviewfinder.blogspot.com/">In The Viewfinder</a></p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/looking-for-vip-content-owners-of-licensable-video-vidli-needs-your-input-and-f#post-53840 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:34:12 +0000 Vidli 53840@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Thanks for reviewing my post.  </p> <p>Greetings to any<br /> video production professionals that are also looking at becoming content distributors. ?? I'm here to announce that our Beta invite<br /> for sign-up is now open at Vidli.  Vidli is the official video licensor.  We help<br /> you buy, sell and rent videos online.  YOU choose how much to sell your videos<br /> for.  YOU choose how much to license your video for.  That's that power of Vidli. <br /> It's about YOU. ?? We have Anti-piracy technology to protect your content (built<br /> for Hollywood) and a simple, insanely easy to use website where you can license<br /> videos by domains, views, duration... ??</p> <p>Beta sign-ups for a limited number of<br /> users get an upgraded account when Vidli.com goes live. ??Come swim in the<br /> Vidli Lagoon with the Blue Footed Booby at, <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvidli%2Ecom%2FLN001D&amp;urlhash=h4EE">http://vidli.com/LN001D</a> .<br /> ?</p> <p>If you like what you see, I'd also like to ask you to take 4-5 minutes<br /> and vote for us in an online innovator contest.  Help spread our wings, Flock with us, soar to new heights<br /> (and vote) today! <a href="http://twurl.nl/h34ipa" rel="nofollow">http://twurl.nl/h34ipa</a> <a href="http://vator.tv/v/1222" rel="nofollow">http://vator.tv/v/1222</a></p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>L. Solheim</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50172 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:35:55 +0000 EarlC 50172@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Cummon in, Julia2009, the water's fine! :-)</p> <p>John, I've NO practical experience beyond what I read at the forums, especially video university ($25 a year to post and read the "members only" section where some serious information regarding this is posted). I understand it, but do not have the experience and technical knowledge beyond knowing that I WANT to pursue it, and intend to seriously work budgeting capital investment on the NewTek Tri-Caster as my means for developing business in this arena.</p> <p>There are also others at such forums as wedvidpro, dvprofessionals, maybe even here, somewhere in the videomaker archives, where a LOT of information is being shared regarding successful and dependable, as well as affordable, methods for internet streaming production. This is certainly an area where a good, common sense, non-technical but specific how to would bring somebody huge bucks.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50171 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:48:38 +0000 TheScientist 50171@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> We are doing livestream - see our presently "IN CONSTRUCTION" Site <a href="http://www.hollywoodpokerschool.tv">http://www.hollywoodpokerschool.tv</a>.</p> <p>The issue/the problem is the camera and more we are using is unstable. Firewire - connector in computer is just ok/connector in Camera, Canon HV30 is small firewire, we move camera, camera connector dislodges and Inet Stream goes kaput/disconnects.</p> <p>LiveStream is good and has nice studio but even there, there is issue, the issue????</p> <p>There is a serious and noticeable lag time between camera switching or camera switch to ready to view motion graphics.</p> <p>So the proposed solution is video switch/mixer and prepare everything on the client (this end) then stream out to streaming provider; in this case, livestream.</p> <p>Your thoughts/comments/insight/questions is/are welcome and appreciated.</p> <p>John</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50169 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:04:51 +0000 EarlC 50169@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I also forgot to mention <a href="http://www.livestream.com">livestream</a> which is actually, I think, the one that was formerly mogulus. Sorry.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50168 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:46:31 +0000 TheScientist 50168@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> NewTek - will look at - thank you - I saw it once but only as I flew by my Inet surfing. On my way there now...but looking forward to more specific solutions if this does not work.</p> <p>Thank you again,</p> <p>John</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50167 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:45:26 +0000 EarlC 50167@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Oh, and check and see what livecast, formerly mogulus, can offer you by way of suggestions, perhaps they have a FAQ section that will help you utilize your present equipment along with their affordable, and reported easy enough, approach to this.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50166 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:44:08 +0000 EarlC 50166@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Yes, there ARE many, many solutions, some of them affordable, to doing this. But when you go the bailing wire and bubble gum approach, and even attempt simpler, more affordable approaches, you will always run into issues before, during and after your webcast projects.</p> <p>If I EVER have the money and decide to pursue this line of business in a BIG way, I will HAVE to invest in at least the system built and offered by NewTek. It rocks!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/production-studio-for-internet-streaming#post-50163 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:07:29 +0000 TheScientist 50163@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> I really am not sure anyone knows the answer to the following; and those that do, do not seem to be giving up the info.</p> <p>I want to create/build a professional Internet TV Streaming Studio. So far, I have been using an Canon HV30 (through Firewire - it is awful and extremely unstable). I am also using an Alesis Audio Mixer, relatively fair microphones, and fair to good lighting.</p> <p>I want to use multiple cameras plugged into either a video switcher/mixer or video capture cards on computer. Problem is NO ONE - not the retail stores, not the film stores, not the video stores can tell me how to do this professionally, or they are trying to hoodwink me out 10s of thousands of dollars, which I know there are less expensive solutions. For example, last guy tried to sell me a $50k plus each camera; and $30k video mixer.</p> <p>Is there anyone out there that will share the information to build a small three camera studio, capable of live internet streaming, and does not use firewire?</p> <p>Thank you in advance to the knowledgeable person who can rise to the occasion and give up this data.</p> <p>John</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-compression-im-not-getting-something#post-46708 Tue, 12 May 2009 08:57:02 +0000 XTR-91 46708@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Some video editors allow you to choose the specs (video rate, audio rate, etc.) for the specified video format which you decide to save your video.</p> <p>For Flash video, you should do some <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS317&amp;q=Convert+video+to+FLV+and+SWF" title="FLV and SWF Video Converters">research</a> for software that embeds video into SWF (Shockwave Flash Object) formats or software that will convert your video to FLV.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-compression-im-not-getting-something#post-46695 Tue, 12 May 2009 05:31:24 +0000 birdcat 46695@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Maybe take a look at Sorenson Squeeze.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-compression-im-not-getting-something#post-46686 Mon, 11 May 2009 20:32:56 +0000 amereservant 46686@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I guess I didn't really clarify what I was asking.  I'm wanting to stream video over the internet off of my server and encode them myself.  I'm wanting a datarate no higher than 1200Kbps and my embedded resolution is 640x360.  I want to stick with a flash format (MP4, FLV, F4V, etc.) because they are the most universal formats.  </p> <p>Do I need to encode the videos to 640x360 or use a larger resolution for my source and shrink it with my embed code?  (I think that's what Facebook is doing).  And what suggestions for very good quality from HD-sourced video do you have for encoding them for streaming?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-compression-im-not-getting-something#post-46653 Mon, 11 May 2009 07:38:53 +0000 XTR-91 46653@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I've had good experience using AVC MPEG-4 for compact high quality video (other than most players don't support it). I've heard of AVCHD, which my editing software supports. AVC-HD is probably something similar to AVC MP4, only the fact that it encodes in High-Definition.</p> <p>If AVC (Advanced Video Codec) is not an option, I would recommend trying WMV, which I also had good experience with.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-compression-im-not-getting-something#post-46650 Mon, 11 May 2009 05:23:29 +0000 birdcat 46650@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>What I have done is render out MP4 with the following settings:</p> <p>SD: Project settings: <a href="http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-sd-proj.jpg">http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-sd-proj.jpg</a></p> <p>      Video settings: <a href="http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-sd-vid.jpg">http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-sd-vid.jpg</a></p> <p>      Audio settings: <a href="http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-sd-aud.jpg">http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-sd-aud.jpg</a></p> <p>HD: Video settings: <a href="http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-hd-vid.jpg">http://video.birdcat.com/mp4-hd-vid.jpg</a></p> <p>      (Project and Audio settings are the same)</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-compression-im-not-getting-something#post-46637 Sun, 10 May 2009 12:24:56 +0000 amereservant 46637@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hey everyone,</p> <p>I came here because I've spent endless hours researching this topic and so far have had no luck.  I've done numerous tests and so far the best I've came up with so far is pretty much the MainConcept AVC/ACC (MP4) Codec, 640 x 360, CBR @ 1,200Kbps for HD video streaming.  I've played with the On2 Flix Pro, QuickTime Pro (mine doesn't have the H.264 option available for some reason), and recently messed with ProCoder 3.  I've encoded the same video using all of them and the ProCoder 3 seems to be slightly better using the H.264 codec, but I'm still not satisfied.  WMV 9 codec in Sony Vegas has by far exceeded all of them, but it's not near as flexible of a format as the flash formats.  </p> <p>What I'm trying to figure out or achieve is video quality like that of Facebook's video.  I'm astounded by the quality of my HD videos when I upload them and Facebook converts them.  </p> <p>Can someone give me some really good and helpful tips for achieving much higher quality video, which codec ranks highest (I'm using Sony Vegas), and what is the best method for a target of around 800Kbps - 1200Kbps datarate streaming video.</p> <p>Whoever solves this riddle for me I will forever be in debt to.  It's hard to believe it's so difficult finding any sort of compression guides online that is targeted for streaming video from one's own web server.</p> <p>Thanks in advance!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/flash-streaming-issue-is-it-source-or-flash-player#post-40574 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:43:50 +0000 RevolutionInTheMind 40574@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi everyone,</p> <p>We are new to both Video and Flash and been working on a huge project for our "paygrade" we have worked through so many kinks and we are really stuck at our last problem before we are ready to launch the website. Any help from the Video Gods, would be grealty appreciated. We have created a educational website for Mortgage Professionals, so they should have a fair to decent computer and internet speeds, We are going to make quite a few of them, 40+, most will be 2-3 minuted long, talking heads, low motion and screen capture, with a few larger 6-9 minutes with few more effects, but nothing high motion. We are trying to find the optimal blend between file size and quality and quite frankly getting our heads handed to us( I have such a respect for you professionals, video is insanely complex).</p> <p>You can see the website at <a href="http://www.AdvancedMortgagePlanning.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.AdvancedMortgagePlanning.org</a>,<br /> - For an example of a smaller video go Gratitude, then Loan Tool Box<br /> - For an example of a larger video go Discover AMPp, the main video will play</p> <p>The set up we have is:<br /> FMS server to stream videos,<br /> Connections:10<br /> Bandwidth: 1mpbs<br /> BW Transfer: 30 GB</p> <p>Camera: Sony HVR-A1U,<br /> Footage Captured DV 4:3 720x480, 29.97,<br /> Exported using Veescope Live, 4:3 to .mov</p> <p>Flash 8 Custom Video Player, using a net-stream connection</p> <p>Editing Premiere Pro CS3 exporting to various settings: This one are we could use some big help, we are getting crushed in what size to make the videos, for many we are fine with 320x240, but some of the more"important" we would like to be larger, 480x360 or 720x480 if possible, but keeping the bit rate down makes them grainy, is there some adjustment we can make in our settings to get a optimized solution? Would it be better to set up the Premiere file at the ratio we are going to export it at i.e. base video 720x480 to, premiere file 320x480- export 320x480, or is it better to make the premiere file the same as the source and export to the smaller?<br /> Format :FLV<br /> On2 Vp6<br /> 480x360<br /> 29.97<br /> Bit rate 512<br /> Deinterlaced</p> <p>Challenges<br /> 1.  One of the problems is that the some of the videos, play all the way through, and some stop inexplicably and some play all the way through:<br /> One that stops is<br /> - For an example of a smaller video go Gratitude, then Gratitude Opening<br /> One that plays all the way through<br /> - For an example of a smaller video go Gratitude, then Mortgage Market Guide<br /> We cannot tell if this is a problem with the source or the video player, we play the source files in real player, and flash and they play all the way through, yet we cannot discover any settings in the player that solve the problem of the stopping.<br /> 2.  The larger video stops playing inexplicably at minute 5:57 of 9:37:<br /> Again it plays all the way through in Real player &amp; Flash</p> <p> In Deep Gratitude,</p> <p>Joshua Tree </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/fundemental-books#post-36844 Mon, 26 May 2008 08:41:57 +0000 anilintel 36844@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>hai friends wants to know how the sound and video are streamed in the endless networks ?</p> <p>check it out</p> <p><a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/117627743/The_Technology_of_Video_and_Audio_Streaming__Second_Edition.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://rapidshare.com/files/117627743/The_Technology_of_Video_and_Audio_Streaming__Second_Edition.pdf</a></p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/h264-bigger-clips-survey-on-loadingquality#post-34053 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:10:00 +0000 Ken 34053@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Psynema,</p> <p>The clip loaded OK for me.</p> <p>But I wonder why all those HTML tags are showing up in your post.</p> <p>Ken Hull</p>