http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: pricing - Recent Posts en Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:59:51 +0000 http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74795 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:30 +0000 Larry Williams 74795@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> i have recently came into a simular problem not an over all pricing but pricing for greenscreen editing </p> <p>I noticed its starting to hit my pockets but its not doing that when i do shoots in natual locations it when i do a green screen, between the rendering and editing green screen footage it makes the edit process brutal. i charged 400 for a 5 minute music video but i was editing green screen fotage on both of my macs for about a total of 18 hours in doing that pushed back a couple of my other projects i was working on baically what im asking is does anyone have advice about the editing of greenscreen and should i charge a put up and tear down fee </p> <p>i have a big arsonel of equipment also that is all paid off becasue of military duties </p> <p>equipment i have</p> <p>canon T2I mulitple lenses</p> <p>Canon xha1</p> <p>steadicam with vest and spring arm </p> <p>8-12 foot crane</p> <p>tripods</p> <p>monopod</p> <p>tripod dollies </p> <p>green screen set up </p> <p>lighting </p> <p>microphones </p> <p>reflectors </p> <p>a 20 inch imac with fcp7 and 13 inch macbookpro with fcp7and pc with sony vegas and sony music studio</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74787 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:22:09 +0000 cfxcorp 74787@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>You have to ask yourself, too...Do you want to do this work at these rates?&nbsp; Word gets out and you will probably get referrals that you may or may not want to commit to.&nbsp; Can you sub the work out (supervise it) and then mark it up X% ?</p> <p>I think your price is reasonable for the time you estimated.&nbsp; This project will add to your portfolio so you can show the next potential client what they will get for their money and your time.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74786 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:59:39 +0000 Kolyssa 74786@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I have so much equipment because it's all I ask for on christmas lists, birthday lists, etc. and all the money I make from video production goes right back to buy more equipment :) You could say video is my life... because it is at the moment. </p> <p>Oaken Beeson, where are you located? That might make a difference. I feel like if I charge that much people might not take me seriously. But then again I've never tried. Also I'm only 21. I'm located in Milwaukee WI. </p> <p>I decided to charge $2500 for the entire project.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74673 Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:55:31 +0000 Cinebasics 74673@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I'm kinda impressed with the amount of gear you have for a beginner, so to speak. That's more than what most people use unless you're borrowing or renting all that. All I can tell you is what I charge, which is the best way to come up with prices. Try and find people who do w the kind of work you do and see what they charge. I'm at 125 hour for shooting and 85 an hour for editing. So far no one complains ;)</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74648 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:16:54 +0000 Kolyssa 74648@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>@Mike, That's a brilliant website! Thanks for the link! I've always been slightly opposed to hourly rates only because I was living in a college dorm and my hours would often be interrupted by roommates or other things. But now that I have my own office space I think you're right, I should consider that! I think $50/hour sounds reasonable... here's my equipment list:</p> <p>Panasonic GH1 with multiple lenses</p> <p>Canon 550D with multiple lenses</p> <p>Tripods, monopods, etc.</p> <p>Boom mic, lapel mic, hand-held mic + Zoom H4n Recorder</p> <p>LED lighting</p> <p>Adobe CS5.5 on my 27" iMac (I also have FCPX, but I prefer Adobe...).</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74645 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:51:41 +0000 Mike Wilhelm 74645@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Have you considered coming up with an hourly rate as opposed to a per-minute finished rate? Check out this rate calculator: <a href="http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/">http://freelanceswitch.com/rates/</a></p> <p>I'd say $50-$100 /hour would be a reasonable rate, depending of course on what equipment you're using.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-should-i-charge-1#post-74644 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:50:54 +0000 Kolyssa 74644@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hello! I found this forum on Google and I've seen lots of experienced people giving their advice here, so I thought I would try it out!</p> <p>I usually charge $100/min of edited footage when I make promo or recap videos. (So a 5 min video = $500). That's perfect for my target audience and the kind of videos I make. However, I was recently approached with a project that I am unsure how to price. Here are the details:</p> <p>8 to 10 videos at 15-20 minutes each. The content is educational lecture. We'll probably spend a day (8 hours) filming all the videos, then my guess is that it will take about 60 hours of editing to get everything put together within the next 3 months (I'm a college student with classes so yes, it will take that long). With my *usual* pricing formula, the quote could be like $15,000!!! And that's way out of my client's budget. I understand that the editing for these videos will actually be minimal compared to my usual work :::::: <a href="https://vimeo.com/17085389" rel="nofollow">https://vimeo.com/17085389</a> ::::: so it will cost less. But I also don't want to be taken advantage of.</p> <p>If you need to know anything else, please let me know! Other than that any advice is very appreciated :)</p> <p>-Kolyssa</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-3#post-73052 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:38:37 +0000 EarlC 73052@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Mark, actually it's EarlC (for Earl Chessher) not Eric, but that's cool ... call me what you want ... smile!</p> <p>Yes, $600 for a 2-hour, or less, performance gig, when shot correctly and when not spending way too many hours polishing something that quickly attains a law of diminishing returns (it'll NEVER be perfect no matter HOW MANY hours you spend in post) is reasonable IMHO. I try to average $70 per hour for my services and that puts me in the ballpark of my target hourly fee.</p> <p>It also keeps me competitive. There's a HUGE community of independent and professional (and other) video producers in Southern California, all of them trying to eat my lunch ... smile.</p> <p>It is FAR more lucrative for me, provided the group membership is 50 or more, to go with the direct-to-parents approach. I ALWAYS exceed my minimums and sometimes copies can get into the 100-plus range ... nice at $25 a pop.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-3#post-73047 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 02:13:37 +0000 Mark 73047@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>@Eric..is that $600 including the editing of the gig?I am just now getting into the area of paid work and I have no idea what to charge. Some on here have mentioned $1K/ day. That seems high these days, but I have no idea.</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>Mark</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-3#post-72728 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:17:09 +0000 EarlC 72728@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>True, Bruce, NEVER deliver video without having been compensated, unless of course you have a proven ongoing professional relationship with the client/customer. Once that video is delivered, and/or materials returned, etc. you've lost your leverage for receiving payment.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-3#post-72727 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:25:03 +0000 BruceMol 72727@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>What Earl says and, if you decide to go with 'charge the parents' and not the organizer, for heavens sake get the money first!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-3#post-72726 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:39:59 +0000 EarlC 72726@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I charge a flat fee of $600 for the gig, primarily doing what you describe. Or I allow for a fundraising cooperative approach with cost per DVD at $25 and minimum sales, sharing the revenues provided they reach specific numbers, nothing if ONLY the low minimum is sold. This is usually more successful for selling direct to parents rather than charging a flat fee or additional production fee AND trying to sell individual copies.</p> <p>There are many other issues involved with shooting and selling dance recital videos and what I said above applies specifically to your "pricing" concern. A bounty of potential copyright "gotchas" also exist as well. It can be profitable but try to always be clear on everybody's expectations, including yours.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-3#post-72716 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:06:18 +0000 cjproductions 72716@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Most of my video work has been done as a hobby.&nbsp; I was recently offered a job to film dance recitals for a local dance academy.&nbsp; My idea is to use two cameras.&nbsp; One will capture the entire stage while the second camera will zoom in on each dancer in the the number.&nbsp; In post I will do some split screen and switch between cameras.&nbsp; This will require a lot more time editing but should make for a lot better video than just one static camera.&nbsp; I have no idea what to charge for this project.&nbsp; The recital will be 2 hours in length.&nbsp; Any help would be greatly apperciated!! </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/another-newbie-looking-for-pricing-advice#post-56801 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:00:43 +0000 EarlC 56801@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Welcome. Simply by searching the various Videomaker Forum topics you will discover a bounty of ideas, thoughts, information and inspiration. Notwithstanding the availability of so many how to, instructional and training resources offered by Videomaker.</p> <p>Many here have blogs as well, sharing a LOT of knowledge and information about virtually ever facet of video. Check out J. Michael Long's <a href="http://www.intheviewfinder.blogspot.com/">In The Viewfinder</a> and Earl Chessher's <a href="http://www.eccomeecgo.blogspot.com">E.C. Come, E.C. Go</a> to get started, but fish around here for leads to a number of others, like <a href="http://www.videoproductiontips.com">Lorraine Grula</a> - and MORE!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/another-newbie-looking-for-pricing-advice#post-56798 Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:13:18 +0000 london 56798@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hi Everyone:</p> <p> </p> <p>Just discovered this excellent forum and have a few questions.  I'm old!  65 to be exact but want to remain active, engaged and make a little money.  I have many years of work experience, life experience, and spent many years in the theater.  In the last few years, I have been drawn to video making starting with Pinnacle Studio which I found very frustrating and switched to a Mac with Imovie which is infinitely better.  I have made several "home movies" with stills, video, music, etc.  which have been very well received.  I am still working on honing my technical skills and my many years in the theater have given me confidence in my editing choices. I'm also confident about interviewing subjects and getting their stories. This whole process is really like the theater!</p> <p> </p> <p>My goal is to make personal video biographies of people/famiiies in the A&amp;E tradition.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome about pricing for these projects.  Also, I have been asked to do a slide montage which I've done as well but am not sure how much to charge.  The prices seem to vary wildly out there.  Thanks for any help and guidance you might offer!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-projects-and-services#post-50944 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:29:37 +0000 Kemper 50944@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>KWFYV 25-<br /> Don't forget to factor in the costs on top of your time/talent. Equipment rentals, on screen talent, permits, voice over talent, &#38; locations. Even if you own the equipment you should still factor it in to the equation. </p> <p>Hey Steve.</p> <p>Would you mind elaborating on what the $950 day rate includes? Is this strictly your time on the set? Does it include "x" amount of gear? Does any pr-production (scripting, etc) come with that or is it billed separately? Do you have talent &#38; locations factored into that number (Assuming you included other line items in the $950)?</p> <p>Cole </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-projects-and-services#post-50933 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:33:52 +0000 SteveMann 50933@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I charge $950 for a full day project. A :30 commercial could take 2- 3-days to complete properly.</p> My editing rate is half that ($475), so a :30 commercial with no special effects and just simple graphics would likely end up very close to $2K.</p> <p>Steve </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-projects-and-services#post-50925 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:53:40 +0000 kwfyv25 50925@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>So what are some good day or hourly rates? That's what I'm trying to figure out. None of this would be going national, by the way, just shown in the local area.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-projects-and-services#post-50922 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:17:54 +0000 grinner 50922@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>There is not an average price for spots as national spots can be millions and most local spots are done free by the cable company or tv station that sells the air time for em. This, of course, is why so many local spots do more harm than good for local advertisers. Just stick to your day rate or hourly rate. It's ok to bid flat prices for turn-key productions but you'll do this by multiplying your rate with your projected time, not by what you think it's worth to them. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-projects-and-services#post-50902 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:32:48 +0000 kwfyv25 50902@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I've been looking through the posts and haven't found the info I need, but please help me out here if I've missed it. I've been given a tremendous amount of encouragement to venture out and do video production professionally. I just completed a 30-second commercial for my company (real estate brokerage) promoting a subdivision we represent. Well, word got out about that and now I'm starting to get more work from other local businesses. I've been in business for myself previously doing other things, and a stumbling block I always seem to hit is how to appropriately price my products and services, mainly so that I don't short-change myself. This is probably what would be considered a small-to-medium market located in the southeastern US. Most of the research I've done shows that the typical cost for a 30-second spot is around $2K. Of course, that includes voiceover with script writing, and other enhancements. This first project I did didn't have a voiceover, but did have original music. I did all the shooting and editing, and probably have about 15 or so hours into it. The next project I have lined up is for a 30-second spot and a corporate-type video, which will likely be about ten minutes long, promoting a product invented by a local company to other business who would have a need for it. I also have work from other Realtors to promote their properties.</p> <p>So you see, I have a variety of services where a one-price-fits-all approach won't do, or will it? Should I be charging by the hour, the project, or both? Thanks!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-1#post-50632 Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:06:09 +0000 composite1 50632@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Galin,</p> <p>Your estimated rate should take into account:</p> <p>Estimated production hours based on a 10-hour workday (1-hour setup, 8-hours work, 1-hour breakdown.) You also want to take into account how much traveling you may be required to do. If it exceeds 20 miles a day, you should look at charging for mileage. Don't forget to take into account the equipment you'll be bringing. The gear you use has to pay for itself so that $50 Cville mentioned is actually split between you and the gear. So if you are going to take pay, you get $25 and hour and the gear gets $25 an hour. I say that because whether you are a freelancer or have a company, the company has to be paid too. Now you can also charge 'half day' rates based on a 6-hour time period (1-hour setup, 4-hour work period, 1-hour breakdown.)</p> <p>Estimated post-production hours based on an 8 hour day. Again you the editor must be paid and your equipment/software usage costs must be paid as well. It still costs you money to use editing gear whether you own it or not so you'll again be splitting your fee between yourself and your gear.</p> <p>Now the tough part is figuring out a fair price to cover your time and expenses without being greedy and pricing yourself out of the gig. One thing you have to get a grip on is production costs money, but your clients generally have no clue about that. They know to make a Hollywood production costs big bucks, but most figure all you need is an 'Uncle Bob' special digital camera and expect huge production values for next to nothing.</p> <p>To get a good idea of a baseline rate to charge, go to your state gov website and look up base wages under television/film/video production. That will give you the going rate in your state and you can base your calculations on that. When setting your pricing, don't go with arbitrary numbers. Figure out exactly how much it costs you to operate and adjust your estimates accordingly. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-1#post-50611 Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:39:51 +0000 grinner 50611@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Just multiply your hourly or daily rate by how long you think it will take you. Add some pad for revisions, ect. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-1#post-49481 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:22 +0000 Cville 49481@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> 15 x 8 = 120 hours of just shooting.  If you don't need a crew and you make all of the shots your self and charged $50 hr that would be $6000 just for the shooting.  At $8000 that leaves $2000 to cover your editing as well as any addtional items you may need.  Plus they own all that you have done.  Just some food for thought.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/pricing-1#post-49478 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:29:10 +0000 Galin 49478@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I have to come up with a proposal for a video promoting my town in all<br /> four seasons, so it'll be a yearlong project. If hired I'll be working<br /> with the town's creative agency which will provide scripting and a<br /> suggested shot list. They expect a minimum of 15 days of shooting. I'd<br /> be in charge of all the releases, and at the end of the project the<br /> completed product and all raw footage will become property of the town.</p> <p>They say they want a 3 minute video, but I took a look at their list of<br /> suggested shots, and it would compile a video far longer than 3<br /> minutes. So i think in my proposal I'll offer to produce a longer<br /> promotional piece using a wider variety of footage, and then also a<br /> shorter 3 minute piece with a select few shots. I'd probably end up<br /> shooting more than 15 days anyways. </p> <p>This would be my first big project, and i have no idea what to charge<br /> for something like this. My past clients have said my work was very<br /> professional and some of the best they've seen, but personally I<br /> haven't really impressed myself with my work yet. But i guess I do do<br /> quality work. </p> <p>As for equipment, I'll be using an HVX200a with p2 set up, and if i get<br /> the job I'll use some of the money to purchase a 35mm adapter. I have a<br /> dolly and will most likely have use to a jib arm. </p> <p>I've been talking to a photographer about pricing who does a lot of<br /> work in this area. I know its really quite the same business, but he<br /> still has a decent grasp on it and knows some people who do video work<br /> so he's been asking around about pricing for me. He says $8000 is as<br /> low as I should probably go. </p> <p>What do you guys think about that price? Could i go higher? Keep in<br /> mind that it's a bid for this deal, so I don't want to price myself out<br /> of it. Then again, the photographer knows the guy in charge of this<br /> project, and is going to put a really good word in for me, so he said<br /> the job should be as good as mine.</p> <p>Also, i just thought of this, but ... music licensing. Do i just factor this into my costs? Or do I set a cost, then say they have to pay an additional fee for music licensing. My plan is to try to track down a local group for the soundtrack, so licensing may not even be an issue as far as cost goes.</p> <p> Thanks so much in advance,</p> <p>Galin</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/unit-pricing-for-dvds#post-38116 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:24:40 +0000 cdanddvdpublisher 38116@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <blockquote><p>Thanks to all that replied. I will absolutely consider all of this when I shoot my next recital. My bid was accepted for this corporate shoot, it has since been shot, and I am knee deep into the editing. Since this group will be giving these away and not selling them I didn't feel that a huge mark up was necessary on the re orders. I did state that they needed to re order in quantities of fifty but the unit price was very reasonable. Maybe a bit too reasonable but it got me in the door and another shoot is lined up assuming they are happy with the finished product. The exec that hired me sat in on the interview and was more than satisfied with the look, feel &amp; content of the shoot so now its up to me, Adobe and some Digital Juice. Thanks again! Cole</p></blockquote> <p> Good luck getting the editing done; glad they liked your work</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/unit-pricing-for-dvds#post-38103 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:38:06 +0000 Kemper 38103@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Thanks to all that replied.</p> <p>I will absolutely consider all of this when I shoot my next recital. My bid was accepted for this corporate shoot, it has since been shot, and I am knee deep into the editing. Since this group will be giving these away and not selling them I didn't feel that a huge mark up was necessary on the re orders. I did state that they needed to re order in quantities of fifty but the unit price was very reasonable. Maybe a bit too reasonable but it got me in the door and another shoot is lined up assuming they are happy with the finished product. The exec that hired me sat in on the interview and was more than satisfied with the look, feel &amp; content of the shoot so now its up to me, Adobe and some Digital Juice.</p> <p>Thanks again!</p> <p>Cole</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/unit-pricing-for-dvds#post-38099 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:04:15 +0000 BarefootMedia 38099@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I don't know if this is helpful or not. But when I used to produce DVD's of dance recitals, I charged nothing for the production services.  I just required them to buy a minimum number of DVD's.  For a really simple dance recital, I wholesaled to the studio at a low disc price so they could add profit margin and still sell the DVD's for less than $19.95 (remember you only charge taxes when you sell to the consumer, so let the company deal with that problem.)  Rather than trying to sell the DVD's as cheaply as possible, I wanted them to cost what is typical in the marketplace.  So I charged $17 per disc.  My clients were not surprised at the price, only that I'd do the production for "free."</p> <p>Charging the same $17 per disc, you'd earn $1700 dollars.  And every disc after that would be pure profit.  Actually worth your time to duplicate just a few DVD's.  Don't be fooled into thinking a low price per disc will encourage sales.  If it priced dramatically below market, your clients will think it is an inferior product.  So don't even consider selling for less that $10 or $12.  They just won't take you seriously.  And most clients can't tell an adequate job from an excellent job, so they judge the quality by the price.  And don't you want them thinking your work is a cheap knock off.</p> <p>When you are calculating your costs, give yourself a salary for the 20 to 25 hours the duplication will take.   And don't forget that the ink for printing will cost more than the disc (assuming you put a color background or graphics on it.)  And I feel i would be remiss if I didn't mention outsourcing your duplication.  They have a do-it-yourself custom service where you send in the duplication master and they return your initial 100 in just a few days, then you can have them duplicate DVD's anytime later using a free "storefront" online.  They charge like $10 a disc for the service, so you'd want to bill for your production expenses.  Then you can add your profit margin to the DVD's and whenever you sell thrm, they take care of duplication &amp; shipping and send you a check.  I know several companies do this, but I'd choose Disc Makers for personal reasons.</p> <p>Sorry I prattled on for a bit.  But trying to get the lowest price for your DVD's is a lose/lose situation.  You lose out on money they expect to pay and they view your work as a discount production.  So they won't think of you for their big deal productions.  The theory behind this is found in marketing research.  Consumers will buy an inferior but more expensive product because they believe expensive is better (in general.)  Since DVD's from a store cost around $20, significantly lower prices will represent lower quality to the consumer.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/unit-pricing-for-dvds#post-38060 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:29:52 +0000 LDPLDP 38060@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Figure out what your normal hourly rate is.  Divide it by the number of DVDs you can burn and package in one hour.  Add the material costs and that should be your per-DVD cost.</p> <p>Let's say you charge an hourly rate of $20 during production.  If you can burn and package 5 DVDs per hour, then your labor cost is $4 per DVD.  Add cost of DVD and Case @$1 which totals $5 per DVD.  You might also need to add in equipment depreciation.  Oh, and don't forget to charge for sales tax if applicable.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/help-me-pick-a-video-mixer-please#post-37812 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:39:33 +0000 trekkie1701D 37812@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Thanks, I was looking at that last night, but it appears to only have 2 inputs and I'm currently using 2 (on in the back and a remote controlled in the front) so it wouldnt leave any room for expansion.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/help-me-pick-a-video-mixer-please#post-37793 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:27:36 +0000 Aspyrider 37793@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I used to own a Panasonic AVE5. Loved it. Might find one cheap <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-WJ-AVE5-Digital-Audio-Video-Mixer-clean-BIN_W0QQitemZ220251867571QQihZ012QQcategoryZ21166QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">on ebay</a>.</p> <p>J</p>