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Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: first - Recent Posts http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: first - Recent Posts en Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:26:32 +0000 Anonymous on "first time music video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/first-time-music-video#post-68638 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:45:36 +0000 Anonymous 68638@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Everyone gave you some good advice. Its hard to know what to charge when your new at this sort of genre. Who is doing the editing? Are they a pro or really good editor starting? I don't know i only done a couple music videos myself and I charge at least $1,850.00. But I do edit in Final cut and Adobe cs5. Its what they are willing to pay and what your willing to shoot for you know your needs. And this will be a learning experience all the way around. Good Luck! grinner on "first time music video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/first-time-music-video#post-68609 Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:16:06 +0000 grinner 68609@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ because you dont get to edit it, you have to shoot tqice as much as you would otherwise. This is a budget call from above, not your;s Don't worry about how much more it will cost them... they made that decision knowing it. As for how to shoot it, man that's your call and what your were paid for. CraftersOfLight on "first time music video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/first-time-music-video#post-68583 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:13:58 +0000 CraftersOfLight 68583@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ My 2 cents.  As for your time concerns, rehearse as many of your shots during the day, maybe at the time of day you are thinking of, even down to the camera moves as much as you can. Actually record these and review to see how things went. What might start out as a good idea for a shot may prove otherwise when you see the playback. Crane and steadicam tools take practice to get the smooth action you will want. The actual shoot is not the time to use the equipment for the first time.  Practice and time your equipment setups. You will be suprised how long it actually takes. Scout your sites out as far in advance as you can to get an idea of what you will need and what it will take to set up for the shoot. Something I have been guilty of not doing; Make sure all your equipment has fresh/fully charged batteries, including spares, before you head out. And that your recording media is empty and has been reformated in the equipment, video, photo, audio, it will be used in. When you think you have them down, record them when your lighting is right for the scene. This should help reduce the number of takes required and help speed things along.  birdcat on "first time music video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/first-time-music-video#post-68582 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:58:52 +0000 birdcat 68582@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ > ??p.s. we won't be editing... I am assuming that someone else will be editing (I do this all the time from other folks source). If that's not the case (going with in camera edits, which some have done, none I have seen impressed me much) then big mistake - You're spending a chunk of change getting the right shots, using an editor (NLE) will enable you to refine all that footage, add effects and corrections, make the audio better, etc... Robert on "first time music video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/first-time-music-video#post-68579 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 06:45:42 +0000 Robert 68579@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Hey Everyone!!! So sorry, if this is already posted somewhere or is under the wrong heading... Okay so I'm an actor and photographer, but I am directing a music video for the first time. It's a group of 4 girls, one of which is a close friend of mine (kind of a pop feeling song). I don't doubt my abilities to execute it well, but some "experience" questions have come up in my mind and the answers are only in experience which I don't have so here I am... Shoot Details: Theme: The elements. 4 locations a forest, a girl in the lake, a meadow with horses, and a beach with fire pockest in the sand. Length: 3 days Budget: Max $5000 Shooting Equipment: 2 Nikon d7000s, a merlin (or some other steady cam), a jib arm, a dslr dolly, maybe 2-3 lights (need advice on that), and a ring light crew: me and a friend Questions lol...There's an element of mystery to it so we want low light therefore, dusk and dawn...my concern is the lack of time I will have to get the shots done...any thoughts on how to maximize my time? (regarding light) 2. In case it runs into the peak of the day, what can i do to make the daylight match that of dusk/dawn. 3. Any suggestions on lens filters? 4. Focusing...everything manual I prefer it...though I'm concerned about the camera on the arm, should I rent a focusing device for that? Or maybe just use a small aperture? Because the shot will probably be of the 4 of them and will be from a distance... Lastly, the girl in charge is covering all costs and I'm trying to limit their costs, I'd rather put the money into the production and make it look really good, but I know I should get paid something lol...how much for my friend and I? Don't get too complex about that, just throw some numbers at me (final numbers or percentage) p.s. we won't be editing... composite1 on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62557 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:43:31 +0000 composite1 62557@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Caio, Well you just failed the 'Keeping your location a secret test'. Actually you told me before. Earl and D0n have given some good points on how they figure out their charges. As for your question of what amount to charge, now that you've got some numbers to work with what do you think is fair. Yeah, you're a beginner and it would be unwise to charge what a pro would. On the other hand, having seen your work posted in the Forums I wouldn't call you a 'newb' either. You obviously have a good idea of what you're doing and are now working towards building some experience. What the client is actually paying for is your time and expertise. So as Earl mentioned a 'flat fee' based on your intended hourly rate is not a bad idea. Find out how long the party is planned to go on and figure in an extra hour for setup and breakdown time during the shoot. Don't forget to add in the hours for post work and preparations for the final product. Decide on your hourly rate and when you do so, remember to balance what you expect to be paid with what the client is willing to pay. Flat fees are a good way to allow clients to have a good idea of what they'll need to fork over to get your services. The most important thing particularly when starting out is coming up with pricing that will be profitable for you and attractive to potential clients. Don't get into the habit of underpricing your work (say $5 bucks an hour!) Never set your base hourly pricing less than the average amount in your area. If you want to work for minimum wages, you don't need to be a shooter to do that! As your skills, rep and client list grows you'll be able to raise your prices accordingly. Even then you'll still have to keep in mind what the market for such services in your area will bear. So are you being greedy? Not necessarily. Now if you show up with a 'happy snap' camera and expect your client to be confident in your abilities to pay that kind of money you'll be disappointed. If you want to step beyond the amateur and hobbyist sphere and into the semi-pro and professional realm you have to look the part to a certain degree. An SLR (film or digital) camera with interchangeable lenses and if available a flash unit beyond the built-in one will go a long way to 'upping' your profile as a semi-pro. Oh and don't forget to give your client an invoice/receipt for services rendered. Get into the habit of doing that because if you keep doing this, eventually you'll have to pay taxes. Above all else, stay calm, stick to the basics when shooting (focus, exposure, composition) and you'll have no choice but to do a good job. Nothing worse than having to face a client after a shoot goes bad (worse if it was your fault for screwin' the pooch!) Oh and D0n is right about giving over all materials even if the client requests all negs, etc. you a) make them pay extra for it and b) maintain your right to keep copies of portions of the shoot for your exhibition and promotional efforts. It's always a good idea to hang on to copies of the work in case the client loses theirs. That way if they want more, they can pay you for them. Don on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62556 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:16:38 +0000 Don 62556@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ A lot of good advice here. I do things a little different than Earl. I never gave a negative or raw file to anybody. I used to process my own film and print myself.... I now do my own processing and printing digitally... I only use a pro lab occasionally for work I'm not equipped for ike printing huge enlargements or printing on metalic paper. I am old school. I believe the negative or raw camera file is the sheet music, but the print is the full, live symphony performance. Â I try to maintain total control over the process from start to finish. I recommend learning all about the printing process because you never want a bad photofinisher blaming his mistakes on the photographer. Not that Earl's way is wrong. I bet he is much better video editor than I am, we all have our strengths and weaknesses.... Our video work is solid but basic, with the strength on the lighting and composition, and our photography is stellar, better than most if not all, in our area. I'm still improving on my FC and editing skills, again we're pro, but can't lay claim to the Title "BEST"... yet. EarlC on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62550 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:52:58 +0000 EarlC 62550@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ MAN, Shippo, that's a LOT of nasty code clutter dude - usually caused by copy and pasting. I started to try and clean it up, pick out the plums, but it's beyond my capacity to separate it out. Not too many of us are going to be able to pull the info out of all that code. Sorry. My response regarding "charges" for just about anything I do in video is that it is either flat fee based on what I need to make per hour based on the formulas already shared - materials, time, experience, what the market will bear, etc. or a flat hourly rate. My hourly rate (and the rate I try to maintain in turnkey or flat fee bids) for ANY video production service is a minimum $70 per hour, and a preferred rate of $100 per hour for individuals and $500 per finished minute for corporate/commercial clients. When I have provided photography work I ONLY shoot based on hours (no albums, no prints and in the "film" days I handed over the rolls of film, prefering to NOT get involved in the developing/printing aspects of the business) the formula being X number of hours with X number of photos (so many candid shots, with so many posed/formal shots, and additional charges/fees per image for computer enhancement; some general cleanup of a select group of shots) at $150 an hour, two-hour minimum. shippocaio on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62545 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:37:12 +0000 shippocaio 62545@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Okay,so i got this chart from the website you gave me. <table border="1" cellpadding="5" style="font-size: inherit; line-height: 1.22em; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"> <tbody style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"> <tr style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"> <th align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">Percentile</th><th align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">10%</th><th align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">25%</th><th align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">50% (Median)</th><th align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">75%</th><th align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">90%</th> </tr> <tr style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">Hourly Wage</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$8.23</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$10.17</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$14.31</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$21.26</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$29.97</td> </tr> <tr style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">Annual Wage <a href="http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes274021.htm#(2)">(2)</a></td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$17,120</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$21,150</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$29,770</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$44,230</td> <td align="center" valign="middle" style="line-height: 1.22em; padding: 2px; margin: 0px;">$62,340</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Would it be reasonable for me to charge about $12/13 an hour? Because i am a beginner and i wont have a lot of costs. Am i getting underpaid or is that a reasonable price, or am i being to "greedy"? shippocaio on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62544 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:34:12 +0000 shippocaio 62544@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Composite1, you are a life saver xD But it is a bit creepy how you know i live in texas... LOL nah, just kidding. But thanks though :) composite1 on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62531 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:25:03 +0000 composite1 62531@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Caio, When figuring out what to charge for a given profession the best place to start is your state's Occupation and Employment Statistics page on the state gov. website. There you can plug in an occupation (in your case photographer) and find out what the average wage per year or per hour is. Once you find out what the average hourly wage is (since you'll be working as a freelancer) then you make your adjustments for the added cost of things like supplies, travel time (fuel), and so on. Since you probably don't have a lot of overhead (rent, food, equipment purchases, utilities, auto payments, etc.) you can safely base your pay for now upon the wage itself and estimate how much time it will take to shoot the party and how long it will take to prepare the final product for delivery. For example; it will probably take a couple of hours to capture the major moments of the party (bringing in the cake, blowing out the candles and such.) and then a solid estimate of how long it takes you to process one image x 'X' number of images + the time for preparation (i.e. burning the disc and making any cover art) of the final product = total time. All that time based on the hourly wage. When you're making your calculations remember to round up to the next number. Once you have your time and charge figured out, let your client know the estimate and if they want you to work longer than the proposed shooting time (three hours instead of two) that will raise the estimated cost of the job. If they agree to that (preferably in writing) then go ahead. Otherwise, stick to the estimated time you proposed. Here's a link that will help you find the info you need in your state: <a href="http://www.rileyguide.com/trends.html#gov">http://www.rileyguide.com/trends.html#gov</a> Go to the links on Labor Market Information State by State and click on your state. If you're in Texas, try this link: <a href="http://www.texasindustryprofiles.com/apps/win/">http://www.texasindustryprofiles.com/apps/win/</a> When you start your search, type in 'photographer' for example and it will bring up the related industries and you pick out the one that relates to you. I know this will help you get a good idea of what you want to charge. Above all else, DON'T GET GREEDY! Good luck kid! Don on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62509 Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:41:10 +0000 Don 62509@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Can't just toss out a price, your market may be different than mine, but just figure out your actual costs for materials, how much time you estimate you'll need to complete the project and multiply your expected wage by the amount of time, add in your materials cost (gas, media, wear and tear on gear) and add in a small percentage for profit. Compare that estimate with what your competitors in your area are charging... shippocaio on "How much should i charge?" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-much-should-i-charge#post-62506 Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:53:41 +0000 shippocaio 62506@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Hey guys! As you all know, I am a big aspiring photographer. This monday, my friend told me her mom was having a birthday party and she wanted me to take pictures of the event. The only problem is that I don't know how much I should charge her. This would be my first "real gig" (if you can even call it that), and although I am comfortable in charging her for my services,I don't want to make it too expensive. I am going to take all the pictures, editing them in Adobe Lightroom, and then burn them in a Lightscribe dvd along with a quick slideshow with the best photographs. What is an average amount for a first timer? Thank You, Caio The shooter on "Beginner filmmaker - first camcorder recommendations" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/beginner-filmmaker-first-camcorder-recommendations#post-48544 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:46:46 +0000 The shooter 48544@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Go to camcorderinfo.com They have great reviews, it will sure make your choice easier. victor on "Beginner filmmaker - first camcorder recommendations" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/beginner-filmmaker-first-camcorder-recommendations#post-48533 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:11:02 +0000 victor 48533@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ For any purchase, chart out price versus performance&features, then simply choose the widget that's closest to the "knee on the curve". However, this tactic isn't always practical for a newb. The OP is budget-limited and videography might not end up being his cup of tea. Ergo I gotta agree with zoobia's approach. EarlC on "Beginner filmmaker - first camcorder recommendations" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/beginner-filmmaker-first-camcorder-recommendations#post-47209 Tue, 26 May 2009 08:57:25 +0000 EarlC 47209@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Actually, it would be a better deal to go with the HV30, even the HV40, rather than purchase a refurbushed camera that is two generations old. Only, at best, a couple hundred dollars difference for a mega-difference in technological improvements over the HV20. Might even last long enough to outlive availability of MiniDV tape. zoobie on "Beginner filmmaker - first camcorder recommendations" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/beginner-filmmaker-first-camcorder-recommendations#post-47181 Mon, 25 May 2009 22:51:16 +0000 zoobie 47181@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ You'll have to research the cams yourself. However, I can tell you is the best value these days is a refurbed Canon HV20. It's a small handycam that shoots HDV and has a good audio setup including input. Right now, you won't be able to beat the value. It's about $420 US. Be aware that PAL cams can't send the video back to the cam for various reasons. However, you can simply store your productions on cheap HDD's these days. CraftersOfLight on "Beginner filmmaker - first camcorder recommendations" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/beginner-filmmaker-first-camcorder-recommendations#post-45963 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:56:41 +0000 CraftersOfLight 45963@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ You might find EarlC's discussion on this topic of interest. <a href="http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/current-posts-common-theme">http://videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/current-posts-common-theme</a> As for which camera, might I suggest you look through the ones available through Amazon.com or B&H Photo? Read their descriptions/functions and follow with their reviews from users to see if any will fit your specific needs. Read magazines like Videomaker. Look up their product reviews. View the Videomaker Vidcasts here to learn some of the basic needs and skills. <a href="http://www.videomaker.com/vidcast/153/">http://www.videomaker.com/vidcast/153/</a> Don't forget about resources like wikipedia. they do a very good job of discribing the differences and with the interactive links, help to answer some of your followup questions as well. <a href="http://www.wikipedia.org/">http://www.wikipedia.org/</a> And don't forget the forum archives here. You are not the first one to ask such questions (and won't be the last) so search the forums for responses to others. They are a great resource and may also help you with focusing on what you really want to do in video. Film-a-Holic on "Beginner filmmaker - first camcorder recommendations" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/beginner-filmmaker-first-camcorder-recommendations#post-45961 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:21:40 +0000 Film-a-Holic 45961@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Hey, I am a beginner filmmaker, and want to start out slow and steady. I hope to spend no more than £200-250 on the camcorder. I am pretty much a rookie, and don't know much so please also explain to me what the different types are. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks! FallingStarFilms on "7 minute video. first video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/7-minute-video-first-video#post-36299 Sun, 04 May 2008 18:04:55 +0000 FallingStarFilms 36299@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Well said GilbyGood.Â Also, try writing before shooting - it's not the only way to make a movie, but it does have significant merits.Â Thanks for making making this, but do another one with our advice - just for the @#%$&% of it. GilbyGood on "7 minute video. first video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/7-minute-video-first-video#post-36296 Sun, 04 May 2008 17:41:03 +0000 GilbyGood 36296@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ The premise of the film might have been interesting except after the third or fourth outburst of foul language I stopped watching it. Why not rethink the plotline and reshoot it for a broader audience without the foul language and show that you are more intelligent than what the film shows. Go back some in time to show why the character is so violent. johndubyaolson on "7 minute video. first video" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/7-minute-video-first-video#post-36289 Sat, 03 May 2008 16:50:01 +0000 johndubyaolson 36289@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ My brother and I made this yesterday. It's the first video we've made and there wasn't a script, so I think it turned out pretty well for what it is. We didn't even have an idea of what it was gonna be until we just started driving around and filming things. Once we had the (very basic) plot figured out we figured out what the next scene was gonna be and did the scene in usually one take. I think one of the scenes we did 3 times 'cause we messed it up, so not really any rehearsal. I think it actually took us longer to edit it than it did to shoot it. I hope ya'll find it entertaining. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puhAixwgqGc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puhAixwgqGc</a> ryderpd on "What would you recommend? (Tripod)" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-would-you-recommend-tripod#post-35294 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:17:27 +0000 ryderpd 35294@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Thanks for the advice folks. I decided to go with a Libec LS38. Seems like a good match for the Canonxl2. dblan9 on "What would you recommend? (Tripod)" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-would-you-recommend-tripod#post-35172 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:06:48 +0000 dblan9 35172@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ I have two Bogen sticks, a 3182 and a 3283.Â Both have 3066 Fluid heads.Â They are Not by any means lightweight.Â I have used them hard for 12 years and they both are still in perfect condition.Â They have been stuck in a river for eight hours shooting trout fishing, and been thrown around while location shooting.Â They have beaten up and still work perfectly.Â If you are going to be the only one who uses your tripod, then maybe you should venture into a higher end, more "true" fluid head and tripod but reality is, you will have to one day allow someone to carry and setup your sticks and thats when you want a tank that will take a beating from a careless PA.Â It only takes one mistake to make a $2000 tripod worthless. maxzilla on "What would you recommend? (Tripod)" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-would-you-recommend-tripod#post-35170 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:37:05 +0000 maxzilla 35170@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Â I would check into the <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/131444-REG/Libec_THM20_TH_M20_Aluminum_2_Stage_Tripod.html">Libec TH-M20 Aluminum 2-Stage Tripod</a>. I got it from B & H for about $180 and it's really great. Probably the best tripod you can buy if you've got close to no money at all. Pans and tilts are incredibly smooth, body is a light, but incredibly sturdy metal, and it came with a small black bag which makes it easy to take with you wherever. Links in the name above, check it out. cdanddvdpublisher on "What would you recommend? (Tripod)" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-would-you-recommend-tripod#post-35165 Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:00:37 +0000 cdanddvdpublisher 35165@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ As far as heads go, you might want to look into OConner and Sachtler or if your budget allows it go for a Worral or Arri Head. The latter of these are very expensive but very smooth. They are like the Cadillac of "true" fluid heads. ryderpd on "What would you recommend? (Tripod)" http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-would-you-recommend-tripod#post-35088 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:04:36 +0000 ryderpd 35088@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Ok, so I realized that a standard tripod will not do. I what to get a fluid head tripod. I have been looking around but not sure at what point the true fluid head tripods begin at all of these store because some have mantioned on here that not all fluid heads are "True" fluid heads. So far I have found the following heads and sticks: Heads: Bogen 3066, Bogen 502, Bogen 503HDV, What other makes and models are good, what would you recommend? Sticks: Bogen 3182, Bogen 3283B, Bogen 351MVB, What other makes and models are good, what would you recommend? Thanks for the help. I am looking for very smooth tilt and pan. I want a head and tripod that I can grow into. Will be doing both indoor and outdoor shooting.