http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: Archive - Recent Posts en Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:47:01 +0000 http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/codecs-for-deep-archive#post-63803 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:02:46 +0000 aaroninbna 63803@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Wow,</p> <p>You have asked the "Holy" Grail of data storage. There are a few.... or many questions that you must first ask yourself.</p> <p>Ready ?</p> <p>Data storage is constantly changing. Today it is floppy drives, next year is CDs and I hear that the future is a new media called DVD..(?) What does the future bring next that will make our backups obsolete.</p> <p>Q) Is the storage for everyday retrieval ?</p> <p>Q) Is the data storage for future use?</p> <p> </p> <p>This is a very sensitive topic for database backup. Once you reply, I can give options.</p> <p> </p> <p>Take Care,</p> <p>Aaron</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/codecs-for-deep-archive#post-63542 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:17:00 +0000 XTR-91 63542@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>AVC is a relatively advanced format that should last.  Resolution may go up, but the AVCHD format should last for a while.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/codecs-for-deep-archive#post-63535 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:54:24 +0000 Coreece 63535@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>What do you mean by spinning disk?</p> <p>If you mean burning DVDs or CDs then I'd be more concerned about cyclic redundancy errors or file degradation in 10-20 years rather than the codecs themselves...</p> <p>in any event, DV will probably be best like Rob said.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/codecs-for-deep-archive#post-63523 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:14:01 +0000 robGRAUERT 63523@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p><strong>"We want to be relatively comfortable that 10-20 years into the future, when the files are retrieved, there will be a codec to view / edit them."</strong></p> <p>Unfortunately, there's no way to tell whether or not a codec will be valid in 10 or 20 years. Technology is always changing, and as time goes on it's changing faster and faster. All you can do is keep tabs on the technology.</p> <p>For now, best thing to do is capture your tapes (both the miniDV and VHS) as DV25. That's DV-NTSC is you're in the USA or DV-PAL if you're in Europe</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/codecs-for-deep-archive#post-63522 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:07:26 +0000 mspadaro 63522@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> We are working on a project at a large church involving converting 700 VHS tapes and another 700 MiniDV tapes to spinning disk (lots of volunteers), adding metadata, and then sending them off to the ColdStor Data digital deep archive.  We want to be relatively comfortable that 10-20 years into the future, when the files are retrieved, there will be a codec to view / edit them. I'm anxious to hear of other's experiences and recommendations on a codec.</p> <p>Thanks in advance,</p> <p>Michael</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/saving-raw-footage-how-to-on-a-mac#post-56674 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:16:52 +0000 cc vid 56674@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>ok, I'll recheck the settings.  I guess I was thinking more like still photos in how you don't want to touch the original data, just a copy of it.  </p> <p> </p> <p>And yes, I am loving how cheap drives are becoming.  Thanks for the help!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/saving-raw-footage-how-to-on-a-mac#post-56658 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:20:11 +0000 grinner 56658@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> firewire drives are on the cheap, man. You can grab one per project and put it on the shelf.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/saving-raw-footage-how-to-on-a-mac#post-56647 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:15:15 +0000 robGRAUERT 56647@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Actually, if you bring your footage into iMovie or Final Cut properly, it IS lossless. </p> <p>So what you should do is capture your footage with settings that corrispond to the settings of the footage you shot (resolution, frame rate, codec etc). Final Cut will make .mov files that you can save on a hard drive or burn to a data disk. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/saving-raw-footage-how-to-on-a-mac#post-56646 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:07:02 +0000 cc vid 56646@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I have a new flash memory HD video camera and have filled the internal memory.  I've been searching for a way to archive the footage so I can go back and edit later, and allow me to empty my camera memory to shoot even more.  I'm a beginner here and have a new mac, I've read on the apple forum about going into disk utility and saving it as a disk "image".  The idea, I believe is to make the computer think the new image is the camera.  So I did that, all 32 GB.  Now when I go back in to Disk Utility I have folders of stuff I have no idea of.  Clearly I am over my head.  Can any of you much smarter folks give me some pointers?  I do not believe that just dumping in iMovie or Final Cut is lossless.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/capture-and-compress-large-files-to-dvd-disk-image#post-53460 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:11:34 +0000 wonx1312 53460@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>how to  </p> <p>&lt;h1 class="topictitle"&gt;Capture and compress large files to DVD disk image?&lt;/h1&gt;</p> <p>I am so curious about it.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/capture-and-compress-large-files-to-dvd-disk-image#post-53317 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:31:59 +0000 Coreece 53317@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Once you capture the footage you can use a program called Adobe Encore to compress and create a dvd and an .iso image file.</p> <p>The compression time will vary depending on you system.  It looks like you have 2 serious processors and 2 gigs of RAM so your computer should preform very well....probably not the 2 hours I originally thought.</p> <p>Encore will allow you to create a dual layer dvd that will enable you to fit 2 hours of video on a dvd at higher quality bitrates around 7mb.</p> <p>There are also discounted education versions for which you would probably qualify.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/capture-and-compress-large-files-to-dvd-disk-image#post-53316 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:32:34 +0000 mroy 53316@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>At what point in the process are you saying 2+ hours for? The only added time I could see would be in the encoding of the image file. I'm okay with a little extra time in the encoding if it saves me time later on. My reason for the image file is easier organization of the master, (opposed to a binder full of DVD's) and faster on-demand copying. We often will get one order from random show, so I could find it quick and be copying immediatly.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/capture-and-compress-large-files-to-dvd-disk-image#post-53313 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:45:17 +0000 Coreece 53313@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Unfortunately, I truly believe you are already using the most time efficient way to create a DVD.</p> <p>What you want to do is possible and you would be able to get better quality by using the full Dual Layer 8.5 GB DVD but you're probably talking about another 2+ hours of production time opposed to the current 30 minutes.</p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/capture-and-compress-large-files-to-dvd-disk-image#post-53311 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:12:20 +0000 mroy 53311@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I work in my high school auditorium, and part of my job is to produce, duplicate, and sell DVD's of most events we host. We have three cameras mounted on Eagle PTZ heads, and control them in the light booth with an eagle controller. From there the cameras are routed into our switcher/ production computer running NewTek VT5. </p> <p><strong>This is how we have been producing the DVD so far:</strong></p> <p>We record VT5's program output directly onto a DVD using an external DVD burner. When it is time to copy the disc we take it to another pc workstation that runs a robotic duplicator. This has worked okay so far, but over time the master DVD's wear out and start causing problems. Also, the time it takes the DVD drive to finalize, along with the time it takes the duplicator to create a temporary disk image file to copy from adds at least an extra half hour to our production process.</p> <p><strong>Here is what I would like to do:</strong></p> <p>I would like to take the output from the VT5 workstation (most likely Firewire,) and use the duplication pc to capture the feed live. Our shows usually run around two hours, so I would have to somehow compress the video file to fit it on a DVD. Then I need to create a disk image file that the duplication software can work with. By doing this, all I would have to do to make a copy is tell the duplication software to read the disk image, rather than search through the binder for the master DVD.</p> <p><strong>What I need help with:</strong></p> <p>I'm looking for any suggestions regarding the best/fastest software that can capture and compress the video, as well as create a disk image. Is there such a program that can do all of that? Would I have to use multiple programs? Also what file formats would be the best to use throughout the whole process?</p> <p>I am also hoping to archive a file that can easily be imported into an editing program, hopefully not too large a file, but still keeping decent quality.</p> <p><strong>Random Thoughts/Questions</strong></p> <ul> <li>Is a 6 pin Firewire cable fast enough to transfer the video?</li> <li>Will a 15 foot Firewire cable affect the quality or speed of the transfer?</li> <li>I will be using an external hard drive to store the video files and disk images. What kind of drive will perform best, considering the tight budget we are on?</li> <li>I will most likely need to trim the video at the beginning to cut out any black space/ color bars. Will this software be able to do that, or will I have to use an editor?</li> <li>Can I set the compressed file size so the entire DVD is used up, keeping the quality as high as possible?</li> </ul> <p>Thanks in advance to anyone who responds. I know I'm asking a lot, so any ideas and suggestions are greatly appreciated.</p> <p> </p> <p>Mike Roy</p> <p>Video Production</p> <p>Fuerst Auditorium</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-format-question-vob-avi-etc#post-44163 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:51:43 +0000 Johnboy 44163@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I keep my tapes and archive the dvd files.  I figure if I need to recapture the tapes in the future, then that's what I'll do.  Now, as a side note, if you really wanted to backup the avi files, 1TB drives are getting really cheap now.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-format-question-vob-avi-etc#post-44162 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:11:50 +0000 birdcat 44162@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Captured SD AVI files run about 13GB per hour.  VOB files are MPEG-2 and run about 2 GB per hour.</p> <p>For SD projects, I would suggest you capture from tape to AVI and work with that, once editing and final render is complete, just store the file MPEG-2 you will be burning to disk for archival purposes and keep the tape if you ever need to edit the source again.</p> <p>I do not re-use tape but do just that (store it for future possible use) - AVI's are just too big to archive (HD files are even larger) until BluRay gets cheaper and larger.</p> <p>I would also suggest you get some decent editing software, like Sony Vegas or Adobe Premier (they both have entry level versions for under $100) to do your editing/DVD authoring with.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/video-format-question-vob-avi-etc#post-44160 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:14:16 +0000 DesertVideo 44160@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I use a MiniDV tapes in a Panasonic PV-GS320 in 60 minute mode. I bought the camera to catch vacation and family memories, knowing that my old computer at home would not be able to edit them or make disks. Now a year later, I have a Dell Studio Hybrid 140g with Vista Home Premium and the included Windows Movie Maker.</p> <p>I have read many posts on the subject of the "best format" to select for storage, editing, etc. One member recommended keeping all video on the MiniDV tapes. One suggests .avi is the best. Another counters that by saying it depends on the bit rate and compression ratio. Yet another member takes the time to describe the differences between intra-frame compression and inter-frame compression. It has all been good reading and I am plenty willing to do more reading. But I would like a little direction.</p> <p>My software imports the video from the camcorder as .avi. Then when burning the DVD, I noticed the disk is full of .vob files. I copied them back to the desktop and noticed they are not as useful as the tape or the .avi for editing. Yet .avi files are huge, approximately 1GB per 5 minutes of run time. That would require a whole different storage solution than my C: drive.</p> <p>I look forward to the posts that this may receive. Especially any post that link to other good reading. While waiting, I will read from <a href="http://www.video101course.com/">http://www.video101course.com</a> and <a href="http://www.filmhelp.com/">http://www.filmhelp.com</a>, both recommended reading in other posts.</p> <p>Thanks.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/sound-dropouts-during-archive-transferring#post-43152 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:59:17 +0000 grinner 43152@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>you can try a different player and hope for the best. They are deterierating tho.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/sound-dropouts-during-archive-transferring#post-43140 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:35:54 +0000 Johnboy 43140@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>the dropouts may be indicative of tracking or tape wear.  I would be suprised if you captured all that old footage 100% accurately with the camera.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/sound-dropouts-during-archive-transferring#post-43134 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:43:45 +0000 loomis 43134@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Help I am looking for some advice, I started the long haul of transfering all of my 8MM video to a digital date storage base. During the transfers on some tapes I noticed some sound dropouts that make the video footage unwatchable. My footage was shot between 1987 and 2004. I am using the original camera that filmed most of the footage from 1991&gt;2004. 3/4 of my footage is of live music, I used a external Sony 909 mic on (my ID on youtube is 50174, example of a good tranfer (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMWtOZYPcV8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMWtOZYPcV8</a>) There is no tracking feature on this camera. I am using below</p> <p>Sony video 8 CCD-TR93 NTSC into a Canopus ADVC 110 into my MACBOOK Pro</p> <p>Any thoughts would be great</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-do-you-archive-p2#post-41850 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:35:30 +0000 birdcat 41850@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Just be careful about archiving to HD - Ihad a 500GB one go south on me a couple of months ago and lost a lot of stuff that I will be paying a lot of money to recover.</p> <p>I would go with a BluRay burner for larger files now (25GB and 50GB). It may be pricey but BD blanks are way cheaper than P2 cards!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-do-you-archive-p2#post-41840 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:52:29 +0000 robGRAUERT 41840@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Yea, I know people archive with hard drives too. I'd probably do it too, but i feel like disks may be more cost effective depending on how much media needs to be stored, although hard drives are pretty cheap these days. Whatever works is cool...</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-do-you-archive-p2#post-41835 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:38:04 +0000 aburke3 41835@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>robgrauert,</p> <p>Go with DVD media if your video project is too rigorous for a hard drive. Ie: DVD media is still more resiliant than a spinning hard drive in my opinion. </p> <p> For most , though, archiving P2 media to a hard drive has been the answer. I use a new App called "ShotPut P2" from Imagine Products to send my video from a P2 volume to several hard drives at once. It never hurts to have your gold in several places :)</p> <p> </p> <a href="http://www.imagineproducts.com/ShotPut_P2_Edition.html"> <p><a href="http://www.imagineproducts.com/ShotPut_P2_Edition.html " rel="nofollow">http://www.imagineproducts.com/ShotPut_P2_Edition.html </a></p> <p>Luck,</p> </a> <p>Andrew </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-do-you-archive-p2#post-40702 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:12:26 +0000 robGRAUERT 40702@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> This is what a quick google search got me:</p> <blockquote><p>A Dual-Layer DVD differs from a standard DVD by employing a second physical layer within the disc itself. A drive with dual layer capability accesses the second layer by shining the laser through the first semi-transparent layer.<br />Dual layer recording is available on DVD-R and DVD+R discs for storing significantly more data, up to 8.5 GB per disc, compared with 4.7 GB for single-layer discs.</p></blockquote> <p>I would probably go with dual layer disks depending on how large the project is and how many files need to be backed up. Disks last a long time if you keep them out of the sun and in some sort of container, although, I guess you could say the same about an external hard drive as well.  </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-do-you-archive-p2#post-40700 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:10:39 +0000 robGRAUERT 40700@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> You can burn all your video files onto a disk. It may take a lot of disk right now though since a DVD only holds 4.7GB. Actually, I think they have duel layer DVDs too. </p> <p> Maybe you could buy an external hard drive, like a 100GB drive, and load all your footage on that and keep it in a safe place. </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/how-do-you-archive-p2#post-40698 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:51:25 +0000 TomW 40698@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> I am purchasing my first prosumer camera.  I'm looking at the AG-HPX170 and HVX-200.  Here is the question:  How does one archive video shot with P2 only?  With a Mini-DV tape, I understand I can simply store the tape on the shelf - waa-laa, instant archive.  But with the P2 "style" - how in the world do I archive??</p>