http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ Videomaker Community Forums » Tag: 24p - Recent Topics en Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:45:16 +0000 http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/panasonic-hmc-150-for-sale#post-73506 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:12:32 +0000 Benjamin 73506@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> <strong>Selling a gently used Panasonic HMC-150</strong></p> <p><strong>Hours: 203</strong></p> <p><strong>Lens: Mint</strong></p> <p><strong>Body: 9/10</strong></p> <p><strong>Functions: Like New</strong></p> <p><strong>Package Includes: Original Box, 3 sd cards, 2 batt, charger, carrying case, and a Calumet Lightweight Tripod.</strong></p> <p>$2,500.00</p> <p>Please call or text 773.860.8951</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/24p-era-disappearing#post-67423 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:21:20 +0000 Cinebasics 67423@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I recently read an article from Peter Jackson how he's filming the Hobbit in 48p and how he's done with and prefers the faster frame rate in all aspects. And I have to say I agree with him.</p> <p>The 24 frame rate was established a very long time ago when sound was introduced to film. And mostly because projectors and film cameras of the day had an intermittant which would only react so fast. 24 frames worked back then, but why oh why are we still using it now. Everone wants digital cameras with 'native' 24p, which doesn't actually mean anything, but yet everyone wants it. There's nothing wrong with your digital footage NOT looking like the blurry film you're used to seeing. I agree that 35mm captures more color variances than most digital chips can, but the eye percieves motion oh so much faster and clearere than 24 frames a second. And isn't the ultimate goal to have footage that is exactly how our eyes see the world? </p> <p>SO that's my question, discuss, debate, argue, and I'm curious what other opinions are on this. ;)</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/24p-playback-of-24p-video#post-54351 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:04:51 +0000 Mocojez 54351@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I just watched the tutorial on creating a 'film look' using 24P, and I felt there were some misleading statements. I'd also like to add a very big comment about PLAYBACK.</p> <p>If there's no way to display or present your material at 24fps, I challenge the whole concept of shooting at 24P. Most decent video editing software now has the option to work in 24P format, so the material can be encoded to 24P MPEG-2 and displayed using HD DVD and a 24P-capable LCD screen (at a multiple of 24hz, with 120hz and above being optimal). You can also play directly from many cameras in 24P direct to these screens.</p> <p>However, if you have to convert to an NTSC broadcast format to display the 24P, forget it. A lot of material is still produced on film for TV broadcast, and they generally shoot at 24fps. I've even seen digital video shot at 24P for television broadcast, which is perverse. The whole system for getting feature films onto North American TV is a horrible compromise. The 3:2 pulldown 'expansion' of film frames to interlaced video is not part of the 'film look', especially since that effect doesn't happen in places with 50hz systems, like the UK. They don't watch movies on TV with any 'mashing' of frames.</p> <p>The TV production world uses 24fps for no other reason than it saves money, particularly in post production. I've seen many TV commercials shot at 24fps where the advertising agency actually believed they were producing a 'film look', which is a testament to the disingenuous nature of advertising.</p> <p>A couple of other comments:</p> <p>Motion blur is not the same as strobe - it's the opposite. Strobe occurs when the brain cannot perceive continuous motion, and this happens when we use a slow display frame rate COMBINED with a fast shutter (or narrow shutter angle in a film camera). At 24fps we don't perceive the black phases between the projected images - that's what persistence of vision means. But a narrow shutter angle means that each frame only captures a small percentage of the motion, and we can't put that movement back together in a fluid way. The narrow (or fast) shutter also decreases the motion blur, making things crisper, and this INCREASES the strobe effect.</p> <p>I also totally challenge the idea that you should add film grain, unless you want a 'vintage' look. 35mm film has more than twice the detail resolution of HD video, and a modern feature film shot on film and transferred to digital video has no perceivable grain, unless it was intentional. Grain comes from degraded stored print, or from high speed stocks 'pushed' in exposure, printing or development.</p> <p>And lastly, I wanted to comment that the 24fps standard for film-making is not set in stone. I agree that it was introduced with costs in mind, and then became a standard which was difficult to alter for the same reason. But movies are increasingly shot on digital video, and displayed on digital projectors. There's no doubt that a higher frame rate would raise the quality, so I predict that 30fps might be introduced in the near future.</p> <p>Movies certainly produce the highest quality of image, being processed in post production and projected in theatres at about 4K resolution, but we can only display those images currently on a TV screen at 1920 x 1080, so I have to ask why we trying so hard for a 'film look' in video at 24P, when HD video at 30P arguably looks better on a TV screen?</p> <p>I look forward to getting some comments!</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/canon-vixia-hf20#post-59961 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:09:14 +0000 Orlando136 59961@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Hi! I'm new here and I would like you guys to give me some ideas on how to make The Canon Vixia's 24p (through pulldown) to look even more like film because my videos have that sort of blurriness that you find in film but they don't run as smoothly. The image is great but isn't there a plug-in for Sony Vegas 8.0 Pro to make everything more "dreamy" and soft? Thankz</p> <p>I am working and trying to be a filmmaker and I've been reading a lot about filmmaking so I bought a couple of books and I can say I'm a little bit knowlegeable about what to do as a director but I don't have a lot of money to rent a Genesis or a Panavison camera so I have to work with what I have. I'll keep you updated about my first effeort. I wrote 2 scripts, 1 es suppsed to be a short and the other almost a feature lengh film (maybe 70 minutes long). I hope to start shooting by July so any help would be more than welcome. :)</p> <p>Another thing..do you think I should make the whole white balancing process in-camera or doing the post-production?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/the-truth-about-24p-video#post-48297 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:35:56 +0000 composite1 48297@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Ever since video began to compete with film for the dollars of Indy filmmakers, film afficionados have always argued that video was inferior because it's high framerate 29.97 and lack of selective focus makes it look too 'real'. Well for those who would like to know the real info on 24p here's an explanation of the framerate and how it works in video from Videopia.</p> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/3388256">The 24p Conspiracy</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/videopia">Videopia</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/what-does-cineframe-and-cinematone-on-an-fx1-do#post-47456 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:11:20 +0000 NormanWillis 47456@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hello.</p> <p>I have a Sony HDR-FX1.  It is HDV, 1440x1080i.  I will be looking to extract the footage to 30p (I think) with the Cineform NeoScene codec.  I have chosen 30p because 90% of our views will probably be online HD through YouTube, Vimeo and/or company.</p> <p>(Someone said that YouTube converts everything to 24p in order to save bandwidth.  I cannot verify that, but the general consensus seems to be that one wants to upload to YouTube and Vimeo at 30p, and in the H.264 codec.  I do not know that for a fact either, so if someone here actually knows from successful experience, I am all ears.)</p> <p>My question, then, pertains to two special features contained in the FX1.  One is "What is Cinematone?", and the other is about the choice between Cineframe 30 and Cineframe 24.  Does anyone know if these two Cineframe settings have anything to do with 30p and 24p?  Or does it just make it look like they do?</p> <p>I read on one site (if I understood it correctly) that Cineframe 24 would initially record the footage at 24p, and then the FX1 would put the 24p inside of a 60i interlaced 'wrapper.'  Then the Cineform Coded allegedly extracts the 24p from inside of the 60i wrapper, yielding a true 24p with only minor loss of quality.  </p> <p>So for uploading HD to YouTube, Vimeo and the rest, to I need 30p, or 24p?  And do I choose Cineframe 30, or Cineframe 24?  And what is Cinematone?  Does it affect the frame rate?  Or just what exactly does it do?</p> <p>I am plenty confused, so if anyone actually knows from experience, or could even just point me to where I could read something definitive, I would really appreciate it.</p> <p>Thank you,</p> <p>Norman</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/2-frame-rates#post-46408 Sun, 03 May 2009 17:04:07 +0000 shippocaio 46408@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I have a Canon HR10, and it has the option to either record in 60i or 24p. I always shoot in 24p, since i like the "slower" look and the fact that there is no "Interlace Lines" (I don't know what those are called.)</p> <p>But i recently read somewhere that you always should shoot your movies with the highest frame rate possible, since you can change it to a lower frame rate in post ptroduction, and you will have more options.</p> <p>Well, is it better to shoot at 60i than change it to 24p and/or just interpolate the "Interlace Lines" (hahaha.. i really need to lear the name of the lines) or just shoot at 24p?</p> <p>Any help would be appreciated, and BTW, I have Sony Vegas Pro 8.</p> <p>Kuddos,</p> <p>Caio.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/progressive-scan-24p-or-30p#post-44871 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:38:26 +0000 fre31229 44871@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I hate to rehash this topic and I've read through the material I found via forum searches, but I'm still confused.  Do I want to film in 24p or 30p or progressive scan at all?</p> <p>They say 24p is for movies and most commericals are filmed in 30p. Not sure which is supposed to be better and why.</p> <p>I film youth sports with my new Sony FX1000 and saw some footage this weekend from someone who I know doesn't have as an expensive camera as mine, and the clarity just blew me away.  I figured I must be doing something wrong.  Either my camera, editing software (Pinncle v12 Ulimate) or media (DVD-R) is not giving me the best clarity.  I use DVD-R media because not sure what player the parents have that will support viewing the footage.</p> <p>Help.</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/great-article-about-24p#post-40706 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:41:13 +0000 robGRAUERT 40706@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> http://videomaker.com/community/blogs/videonews/2008/10/4083-opinion-24p-must-die/</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/is-24p-the-way-to-go#post-34011 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:14:14 +0000 Celulloyd 34011@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>Hello Folks,</p> <p>I'm ready to produce a script that I've recently finished (I've already talked with a couple distributors), so I was in the process of purchasing a Panasonic AG-DVX100B. But I just read that 24p is NOT the industry standard anymore for independent movie production. I was wondering if anyone knew what the industry standard IS now (HD, etc). I only have $2,300 for a camcorder, and I prefer one that has prosumer features (manual controls, XLR mic inputs, 3 CCDs or CMOS, etc.) Because of my budget, am I stuck with the AG-DVX100B (not a bad camera to be stuck with, admittedly), or are there alternatives? I really want a film-look to the finished movie.</p> <p>I appreciate your input.</p> <p>Lloyd</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/best-format-for-straight-to-dvd-production#post-39414 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:04:55 +0000 ehine11 39414@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>What is the best format (24p, 30p, 60i, etc...) and resolution (1080i, 720p, etc...) for a production that will not be sent to film, but plan to be a blu-ray and standard DVD release?</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/jvc-gy-hd100u-film-and-motion-look#post-39321 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:29:03 +0000 MikeLopez 39321@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p> Hello gentleman,</p> <p>I am planing to shoot my first music video on a JVC GY-HD100U, the music video will have a final output on DVD.  I am looking for advise as far is approaching the film motion and look, camera settings as well. I had read articles about shooting 60! to later convert to 24p, is it better than shooting straight 24p?. Also the HDV format. Can anyone post any experiences with 10801, 1080p, 720p and their respectives frame rates and quality?. I had done a test with my JVC GY-HD100U shooting at 24p, I was disappointed of the image quality, I get something like image trails, and it looks really bad.</p> <p>Thanks in advance</p> http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/topic/jvc-hd100-not-recognized-by-nles#post-38253 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:07:26 +0000 thewatcher 38253@http://www.videomaker.com/community/forums/ <p>I recently acquired a used (but in excellent condition) JVC HD100U.  Everything seems to work fine on the camera, but the problem I (and apparently half the people who own this type of camera) have is that I cannot capture 720 24p HDV footage in ANY NLE program.</p> <p>I've been scouring the internet for a solution to the problem... I currently use Final Cut Pro 6.0, which has no problem recognizing the HD100 when it's set to DV mode, but when set to 24p it simply cannot even find the camera.</p> <p>Being lucky enough to have several friends with PC's, I tried my luck with Sony Vegas 8.  That too failed to recognize the camera.</p> <p>I've tried numerous workarounds (neither HDVxDV nor DVHSCap recognizes the camera either), but nothing seems to work.  I'd assume that the Firewire port on the camera was malfunctioning if it weren't for the fact that it works fine in DV mode...</p> <p>Again, it seems bizarre that instead of failing to import footage properly (dropped frames, lack of timecode, etc.), no NLE will even see that my camera is connected.</p> <p>Does anyone have any other suggestions?  Is there some setting on the camera for outputting HDV that I need to change?</p>